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Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by tokyodude »

creatornator wrote: post #143
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #108

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You're right Google no longer has the trust it used to enjoy. So many apps have been uploading entire call logs and it's really absurd this was so easiy accessible to all apps.

Android may have always been available at no cost, but it was never free. Always assume if you are given a service gratis, that _you_ are the product being sold. This doesn't just apply to Android, but to gmail, Drive, Docs, etc.

guess the same must be true for Linux, gIMP, emacs, vim, gcc, clang, LibreOffice.

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Post by hesarenu »

j_coder wrote: post #188

It is amazing how each new version of Android has a complete new UX and none of them are actually good. Google is basically a back-end company incapable of doing good UX (if it is more than a search bar).

Every update has improved the UI. I think its way better then ios.

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Post by spiritcat »

ehsankia wrote: post #212
Legogris wrote: post #129

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I can still dodge those by disabling Location Services and using something else than Google app-wise. It is not clear how opt-out this will be. Even if it can be disabled today it might become pushed harder as time goes.

You can disable this too: Home Settings > Suggestions I believe the computation is done fully locally, as for "tracking", every single OS has a history of what applications you've launched recently, how is that any different?

Mainly it just looks really annoying.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by tokyodude »

ehsankia wrote: post #207
viraptor wrote: post #194

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There may be few real alternatives. But this is a choice: You're getting the information, you're making a choice to use all features, use limited features, or just drop the app.

And you have explicit control and granular control, even if 99% of the people won't ever use it. Before, if you didn't want Facebook accessing your Microphone, the only option was to not use the app at all. Now, I can specifically disable that option.

Facebook may just make the app not run unless you give it mic permission. Of course you don't have to run it. I have seen apps that explicitly refuse to run unless you give them the permissions they want on iOS even though they shouldn't need them for 99% of their functionality.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by kalleboo »

halflings wrote: post #223
ythn wrote: post #66

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Ugh, I want to be optimistic, but I think this feature is going to suck and here's why: I use snapchat, but I actually hate the app. It's a bloated memory and battery hog in my opinion. Is Adaptive Battery going to think I love Snapchat and prioritize more system resources for it just because I use it? Cause I want the exact opposite to happen. I want Snapchat using 0% of my system resources except for the few times…

First, one thing: the people working on these projects are not dumb. They are not going to launch a feature that simply does not work. These teams run experiments and confirm that the feature actually does what it's supposed to do (e.g improve battery life) before launching them in production. It sounds like this feature is exactly made for cases like the one you describe: if you don't use Snapchat throughout the day…

> the people working on these projects are not dumb. They are not going to launch a feature that simply does not work

I've seen no evidence of this. Plenty of features that do not work or work poorly are launched every day.

Especially machine learning stuff, which is hard to test for normal (and abnormal) users and debug the recommendations. See e.g. the Nest. I know people who got one and hated it since it never get the hang of their schedules and would make bizarre decisions. Others love them.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by radicalriddler »

on_and_off wrote: post #253
lgleason wrote: post #107

Funny. My Essential already has the update, but my pixel doesn't. Go figure...

My pixel 2 sees it. I strongly suspect that this is a gradual rollout. Maybe that force checking if an update is available allows to force enroll ? that's how I saw the update and I now that Google has moved in this direction for the most impatient users.

You are correct. If you force check for an update, then it lets you update to Android Pie. I assume that the gradual rollout will send notifications to phones that it's available.

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Post by Benjamin_Dobell »

knocte wrote: post #260
littleweep wrote: post #222

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It's the only reason stopping me from getting an Android phone. I think Apple is better on privacy.

Haha, but in Apple case, you can't even see the code, dude.

You realize the entirety of Google Play Services is closed source, right?

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Post by givehimagun »

radicalriddler wrote: post #277
on_and_off wrote: post #253

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My pixel 2 sees it. I strongly suspect that this is a gradual rollout. Maybe that force checking if an update is available allows to force enroll ? that's how I saw the update and I now that Google has moved in this direction for the most impatient users.

You are correct. If you force check for an update, then it lets you update to Android Pie. I assume that the gradual rollout will send notifications to phones that it's available.

Force check on my Pixel 2 did not work =(

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by SkyPuncher »

userbinator wrote: post #245
kcmp wrote: post #128

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People loved it when Apple did it which gave everyone else the okay to go ahead and do it themselves. It allows phone manafacturers to advertise higher screen to body ratios and is really just a step in the progression towards bezelless phones. There's definitely a loud group of people who strongly dislike it but I think most people are okay with it

the progression towards bezelless phones I hope not. The bezel has a very real purpose: a place to hold it without your fingers interfering with the screen, whether by activating a touch or just plain blocking the view. I have an older Android with ~5mm of bezel on all the sides and ~8mm of thickness, and trying to get a good grip while not activating or blocking the screen is hard enough. I remember being handed an…

I use to agree, but I would except most devices to account for this. I'd except a virtual bezel or software controlled dead space around the edge of the phone.

You'd basically push buttons and the status bar into the bezel, then use the sides much like the Galaxy Edge does.

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