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Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by rayiner »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #44
rayiner wrote: post #11

> App Actions is a new way to raise the visibility of your app and drive engagement. Actions take advantage of machine learning to surface your app to the user at just the right time, based on your app's semantic intents and the user's context. Aside from the unnecessary jargon, this irks me how it portrays the user as some passive consumer. It really drives home how Google is, first and foremost, an advertising comp…

>Aside from the unnecessary jargon, this irks me how it portrays the user as some passive consumer. It really drives home how Google is, first and foremost, an advertising company. It's amusing that you're taking a quote from the Android Developer blog (a blog, you know, for developers) and trying to misconstrue it as a public facing comment for users. Here's their public facing comment that is aimed at users: Androi…

> It's amusing that you're taking a quote from the Android Developer blog (a blog, you know, for developers) and trying to misconstrue it as a public facing comment for users.

I did no such thing--to the contrary, my point is that how Google talks about users "behind their back" reveals a lot about how it views users as passive eyeballs. Note that the Apple copy I linked is from Apple's developer site as well.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by rayiner »

kayone wrote: post #31
rayiner wrote: post #11

> App Actions is a new way to raise the visibility of your app and drive engagement. Actions take advantage of machine learning to surface your app to the user at just the right time, based on your app's semantic intents and the user's context. Aside from the unnecessary jargon, this irks me how it portrays the user as some passive consumer. It really drives home how Google is, first and foremost, an advertising comp…

I don't really see any difference besides what appears to be your own personal bias.

Google markets how a feature "drives engagement." Apple talks about how it "help users quickly accomplish tasks."

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by sigfubar »

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #45
555513 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking for all of us XL 2 users ? Not a single slow down on mine, thanks. Was on beta the first day it was available.

No sorry, you might have gotten lucky. But a few major YouTubers have reported this slowdown and I really have no data to back this up. I'm glad the Pixel 2 XL works for you! I just have a personal grudge against the pixel line of phones are they compete with OEM's directly without bringing good hardware to the table (except that god tier camera of course)

"Major YouTubers" are also the same people who professional marketers generally place in the "influencers" category. These folks accept payment ("sponsorship") in exchange for publishing videos that are in line with the sponsoring entity's priorities.

As usual, one must exercise care when consuming Internet content. Most of it is, quite unfortunately, "fake news" or "sponsored content".

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by pjmlp »

yathern wrote: post #58
pjmlp wrote: post #55

Android Oreo, one year later in spite of Treble, 12.1%

Oreo was in tandem with Treble. Updates in Oreo and in the future should show an increase. Not upgrades to Oreo.

Which is why most OEMs went with Nougat instead of Oreo for their brand new 2017/2018 devices.

I really like it went this bad as always, because apparently as disclosed at Google IO 2018 they are finally considering making updates a requirement on the license agreements.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by vxNsr »

phalangion wrote: post #19
haldean wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also looks like the back button is gone... how is that supposed to work?

Probably the same way it works on iPhone, where developers incorporate navigation into the apps.

Until apps adapt what is one supposed to do?

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by ythn »

hateful wrote: post #36

> We partnered with DeepMind on a feature called Adaptive Battery that uses machine learning to prioritize system resources for the apps the user cares about most. You know what mind I would like to control what apps get more resources? Me

Ugh, I want to be optimistic, but I think this feature is going to suck and here's why:

I use snapchat, but I actually hate the app. It's a bloated memory and battery hog in my opinion. Is Adaptive Battery going to think I love Snapchat and prioritize more system resources for it just because I use it? Cause I want the exact opposite to happen. I want Snapchat using 0% of my system resources except for the few times a day when I check my snaps.

Also I hate losing control of my system in favor of some nebulous decision making criteria I can't control (ML)

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by joshuamorton »

binomialxenon wrote: post #46
fixermark wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not most people though. There was a time when in MacOS, one could manually limit the amount of memory a program was launched into by setting the required and preferred memory footprint. But that kind of low-level stuff isn't something most people care about or want to do. They just want the damn thing to work.

I see your point that most people don't want to dig into the nitty-gritty details, but I don't think it'd hurt to be able to mark applications as High, Normal, or Low priority for memory and CPU use.

But this isn't really high/normal/low priority for mem and cpu, its how often the applications should wake up. And from my cursory understanding, background resource consumption can be highly variable, and most apps don't really need that much.

Its the same thing as using those battery manager task killer apps. For a pixel, those apps will result in worse battery life, because recent android versions manage resource consumption better than users will.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by mrep »

wvenable wrote: post #23
sigfubar wrote: post #14

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Samsung's modifications to the stock Android experience aren't "features"; these are desperate attempts to differentiate itself from other Android handset OEMs. The resulting need to reconcile two codebases leaves users as the losers: they wait forever for general advancements in the Android ecosystem.

The general consensus amount Samsung users from my experience is that that they do these features better than Google. Samsung's multi-window support was better than eventually came to Android. Samsung's handling of app badges was WAY better (message counts!) and that went away with Oreo's terrible implementation (a dot indicating un-dismissed notifications). My impression after upgrading to Oreo and getting more Goog…

Really? I had a galaxy s4 back in the day and I hated the skin/bloatware on it so much I went back to iphone. I recently got the pixel 2 to see if googles own phone would be a better experience and I have liked it as much as my old iphone.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

izacus wrote: post #56
wvenable wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The general consensus amount Samsung users from my experience is that that they do these features better than Google. Samsung's multi-window support was better than eventually came to Android. Samsung's handling of app badges was WAY better (message counts!) and that went away with Oreo's terrible implementation (a dot indicating un-dismissed notifications). My impression after upgrading to Oreo and getting more Goog…

My experience moving from a Pixel XL to Samsung S9 has been the exact opposite though. Samsung is a significantly dumber phone that requires way more constant fiddling and care to be a good companion. Examples: - Samsung removed timed audio profiles. I no longer can say "silence for 1 hour" when I'm giving a talk. Now I need to babysit my phone and if I forget to put it back on loud, I'll miss calls. - Samsung remove…

I'm on a Note 8, but I can't say I've run into these issues. I'm glad that the pixel 2 objectively works best for you!

Timed audio profiles: I still have them on my note 8 but I literally don't use this feature.

Automatic Power Saving: Samsung indeed doesn't trigger this by itself anymore, but I do not want my phone throttling itself just because its almost out of battery. There is Samsung Routines which will activate powersavig mode whenever you want it to (any percentage)

Wear watches may not work well with Samsung, but I don't actually know the details here. I've avoided wear as a platform since it's not as nice as a Samsung Watch to me.

Samsung does have shit car pairing, I'll give you that point. I didn't even know cars could browse media on your pixel. That's cool.

What do you mean by setting dnd during a meeting? Google reads ur calendar and sets DND? That's cool too if that's a feature.

I guess you're right there's a lot of quality of life stuff Google does right for consumers with a busy life. I feel like Google missing something like Samsung DeX will permanently keep me a Samsung Fan for now.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by joshuamorton »

haldean wrote: post #17
unethical_ban wrote: post #6

* It looks like they've taken away the "apps" homerow button and swapped it for "swipe up from anywhere". So that is one less gesture available to apps, unless you install an alternative desktop. * Wi-Fi RTT sounds pretty neat, I had not heard of that before. * Shutting mic, camera and sensor data off for idle/background apps is neat, though I'm shocked that wasn't an option before.

It also looks like the back button is gone... how is that supposed to work?

The back button is now contextual, it appears in apps, but disappears when it can't do anything.
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