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Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by wink »

mustaflex wrote: post #23
chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

I have a desktop with an intel 3570k bought in 2012, I wanted to build a new gaming desktop with a ryzen 2700x. The ryzen is only 20% better in single threaded performance. I could easily overclock my cpu to close further the gap. Just need to upgrade my gpu and I'm good for a few more years. These cpus have aged quiet well.

Hello, fellow 3570K user - I've also been using one for 6 years now as my main (and gaming) machine. Had to upgrade my GPU once (HD6870 originally, now an RX 470) but I can even play Quake Champions without any problems, in addition to all the games that are a few years old. I've decided to evaluate getting a new machin in 2019, not earlier.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by michaelmrose »

axaxs wrote: post #81

I don't understand the rationale behind a separate group/committee/website/idea for the same distro with different defaults. I worked with the Antergos team, a team of 4 people, to write a distro that let you pick and choose everything, from DE to browsers. While I've mainly faded away they are still hard at it. In short, if we can support nearly every DE with 4 volunteers, what are these *buntus spending their resou…

Antergos most emphatically isn't a distro it's just an installer for arch Linux and quite frankly a poorly designed one that does not always actually work.

After the installer runs if it actually works you aren't left with something much different from a normal arch installation.

The actual distro developers have a lot of work to do as far as assembling a wide range of components and often writing their own like package management systems and recipes for building thousands of packages.

Its unsurprising that people writing 0.1% of distro badly doesn't require much work.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by wink »

I've never been a Lubuntu user but the problem I see is that the Linux distros supporting x86 are getting rarer it seems.

I have a 2004 nx7010 (awesome laptop, at the time and also 8 years later) that I sometimes use at home or grab to play around with and try out different distros and OSes. I used to use ArchLinux but they stopped supporting x86 a while ago. VoidLinux is also out. Right now I'm running OpenBSD 6.2 on it, which is nice - but the short release cycle for a machine you only start up like 3 times before the OS is EOLed kinda sucks. (Not OpenBSD's fault, of course.)

So we'll see how long one can get a decent Ubuntu fallback solution (as in, it's big enough that enough people work on it that it will mostly work out of the box for these hobby projects of running old but not ancient hardware) for x86.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by XzetaU8 »

Animats wrote: post #94
asadjb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never used Lubuntu other than trying it out a few times, so this is just going off of the content in the article. > This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus To me, it seems that they ran the numbers (kudos to them for taking an empirical approach) and figured out that their original USP was now no longer unique enough, and they need to do something d…

"Modern, Qt-based technologies?" Qt is 27 years old. It came out for Windows 3.1.

> Qt is 27 years old. It came out for Windows 3.1.

Same as NTFS file system then

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by varjag »

woolvalley wrote: post #53
chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

There is also a ~33% decrease in power usage. So a i7-8700 which also has a similar score now has 65W TDP vs a 95W TDP. Since moores law is leveling off, programming skill & quality will become more important to extract more performance out of computers. I forsee less javascript and python and more golang, java & rust and other %100 statically typed languages in the future.

Dynamic/static typing and execution performance are largely orthogonal. Java manages to be slow while being statically typed.

If your language is inherently heap bound and/or targets bytecode with ad-hoc JIT trickery, no amount of static typing or hard inference is going to help.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by bubblethink »

copperx wrote: post #114
bubblethink wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but I can say that we have the same thing happening with 16.04 Yes, 16.04 (unity 7) is peak desktop for years to come. Nothing else works quite as well for me. Luckily, you can use unity 7 with 18.04 without too much friction.

What do you use as a file manager? Ubuntu's built in one lacks the basic functions that one might expect from Windows Explorer or the Finder (e.g., the ability to rename multiple files, open folder as path in terminal, mount SMB shares, see file previews).

With 16.04, I'm using the default bundled nautilus version. With 18.04, I think nautilus lost some functionality. I haven't switched to 18.04 yet though. So I don't know how serious it is. I don't use the file manager too heavily. You can switch to nemo, dolphin or caja if it works better for you. Not sure how nicely they all play with Unity. There was a patched nemo version for Unity 7.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by crtasm »

wink wrote: post #133

I've never been a Lubuntu user but the problem I see is that the Linux distros supporting x86 are getting rarer it seems. I have a 2004 nx7010 (awesome laptop, at the time and also 8 years later) that I sometimes use at home or grab to play around with and try out different distros and OSes. I used to use ArchLinux but they stopped supporting x86 a while ago. VoidLinux is also out. Right now I'm running OpenBSD 6.2 o…

Last time I was hanging out in the xubuntu dev irc channel I think there was some chat about how they were short on x86 hardware to test on. Emulation is useful but isn't enough, if you need x86 consider running tests or donating hardware.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by crtasm »

dooyogi wrote: post #100

Besides running on old hardware, the main benefit of distros like Lubuntu and Xubuntu is that they run well in VirtualBox without reliable GPU support. Ubuntu with Gnome 3 is almost unusable in VirtualBox.

Lubuntu 18.04 has/had a blank/corrupted display issue with Virtualbox, if you run into it try enabling 3d acceleration:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/8g7t8u/lubuntu_18_...

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

exergy wrote: post #95
asadjb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never used Lubuntu other than trying it out a few times, so this is just going off of the content in the article. > This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus To me, it seems that they ran the numbers (kudos to them for taking an empirical approach) and figured out that their original USP was now no longer unique enough, and they need to do something d…

> But none of these seem to be different enough from the other great choices available as Ubuntu flavors Yep. "Gets out of the users way" is what a lot of Ubuntu's goals are about already.

Was that sarcasm?

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by lproven »

XzetaU8 wrote: post #134
Animats wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Modern, Qt-based technologies?" Qt is 27 years old. It came out for Windows 3.1.

> Qt is 27 years old. It came out for Windows 3.1. Same as NTFS file system then

NTFS was NT 3.1 -- in 1993.

Win 3.1 (1992) used only FAT.

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