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Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by duskwuff » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 3:59 AM UTC

peatmoss wrote: post #46

As an exercise, I threw OpenBSD and GNUStep on a machine the other day. I wouldn’t say GNUStep provides the best Free/Open desktop, but I want to believe that it could. The thing is, many of the modern Linux desktops seem to be heavily wedded to a lot of dconf and systemd infrastructure. OpenBSD has managed to build analogs for enough of the heavily Linux-centric infrastructure that Gnome 3 depends on, but man it’s c…

There was an attempt to get GNUStep going again some years back:

http://etoileos.com/

The project looks pretty dead, though.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by rocky1138 » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:19 AM UTC

This makes sense for things like x86, but what about ARM stuff? It tends to be low power in both wattage and speed, perfect for Lubuntu. I'd love to see even more effort on things like the Pinebook.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by woolvalley » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:19 AM UTC

chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

There is also a ~33% decrease in power usage. So a i7-8700 which also has a similar score now has 65W TDP vs a 95W TDP.

Since moores law is leveling off, programming skill & quality will become more important to extract more performance out of computers. I forsee less javascript and python and more golang, java & rust and other %100 statically typed languages in the future.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by ericd » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:21 AM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #27

fooker wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can stick a new GPU into a 10 year old machine and it would run modern games admirably.

Obviously, but then can you honestly walk around saying you can play any game on your "10 year old machine"? 10 year old case maybe. Even then, you're going to have issues with the motherboard and probably the CPU bottlenecking you as well.

Eh, PCI-E 2.0 16x is more than enough to keep even modern graphics cards fed. Not sure what else about a 10 year old motherboard would bottleneck you?

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by woolvalley » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:22 AM UTC

MetaDark wrote: post #47

devxpy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu 10.10, huh. I'm not old enough to have experienced that, but I can say that we have the same thing happening with 16.04 They had it almost perfect and decided to throw it all out. History does repeat itself...

Not old enough? Well this makes me feel old even though I'm not. I'm 22 and my first version of Ubuntu was 8.04.

I'm guessing they got into using linux later in life. Not all of us messed with linux when we were 12 ;)

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by platz » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:23 AM UTC

chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

What kinds of activities do you need to do video transcoding for?

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by apatters » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:25 AM UTC

> our main focus is shifting from (providing a distribution for old hardware) to a (functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer.)

I like Lubuntu and often use it for low powered devices and sometimes devices that aren't so low powered. This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus. Here's how you should have said it:

We are focusing our resources on developing a fast, clean, functional distribution for devices manufactured in the last ten years.

Then you can go on to explain the rationale (which is all quite sensible, if you don't want to support hardware that's 15-20 years old, you don't have to, it's a pretty niche market anyway).

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by adzm » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:26 AM UTC

platz wrote: post #56

chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

What kinds of activities do you need to do video transcoding for?

Plex and other home media servers for example.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by hobs » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:27 AM UTC

woolvalley wrote: post #55

MetaDark wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not old enough? Well this makes me feel old even though I'm not. I'm 22 and my first version of Ubuntu was 8.04.

I'm guessing they got into using linux later in life. Not all of us messed with linux when we were 12 ;)

Still made me feel a billion years old as I am pretty sure I had quite a few Warty Warthog cds around at one point.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by PascLeRasc » Thu, Aug 02, 2018, 4:34 AM UTC

woolvalley wrote: post #53

chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

There is also a ~33% decrease in power usage. So a i7-8700 which also has a similar score now has 65W TDP vs a 95W TDP. Since moores law is leveling off, programming skill & quality will become more important to extract more performance out of computers. I forsee less javascript and python and more golang, java & rust and other %100 statically typed languages in the future.

A language's documentation, ease of use, and community are all far more important than CPU performance. Point me to one java project on Github with >1000 stars and I'll give you a hundred Python and JS projects.