I don't understand the rationale behind a separate group/committee/website/idea for the same distro with different defaults. I worked with the Antergos team, a team of 4 people, to write a distro that let you pick and choose everything, from DE to browsers. While I've mainly faded away they are still hard at it. In short, if we can support nearly every DE with 4 volunteers, what are these *buntus spending their resources on?
Lubuntu is taking a new direction
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Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not old enough? Well this makes me feel old even though I'm not. I'm 22 and my first version of Ubuntu was 8.04.
I'm guessing they got into using linux later in life. Not all of us messed with linux when we were 12 ;)
When I was 12, we were messing up with the Amiga on geek friend's house, ProTracker had just been released, playing Defender of the Crown on the school PCW computers and doing Z80 programming on my own Timex 2068. :)
Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
...because we've already got all the computing power we'll ever need? You think software developers not caring about performance is why we can't quickly simulate weather systems or protein folding or do large-scale ML?
I'd settle for text editors that don't lock up when I type an open paren. Or use entire sticks of RAM at rest.
> text editors that don't lock up when I type an open paren
This miiiiight be just you. Even sublime text (forget vim or another cli editor) runs fine on ancient hardware.
What type of files are you editing?
> Or use entire sticks of RAM at rest.
I'd hope my text editors would use as much ram as it needs in order to give me the smoothest experience. If possible, that means storing the whole file in RAM (up to a set limit).
Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is some Ship of Theseus territory we're getting into here, but I think most people would say that if you replace the GPU in your rig, it's not the same rig.
Ship of Theseus? That's quite an exaggeration. Motherboard is often considered the core, and same motherboard and CPU is definitely the same rig. It's just an add-on card that has changed.
Sometimes that "add on card" can eclipse the cost of the "rig" itself.
If the purpose of the device is to play games, and it it incapable of doing so without this component, I'd think of it as a bit more than an "add on card"
Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honestly I remember trying gnustep, it was ugly. I can't even emphasis how terrible it looked from a ux/UI perspective compared to literally every other desktop.
Yup, they were doing the hard part of making application frameworks and consistent APIs, and were always deferring window dressing. By contrast, old school FVWM and later Enlightenment were pushing limits of themability without really building anything of substance beyond literal window dressing. No reason GNUStep couldn’t be as beautiful as anything else. Oddly, I find the NeXT aesthetic oddly fresh looking today. I…
I stood in one FOSDEM presentation about 10 years ago, where they spent a couple of hours speaking and demoing part of it, but it never seemed to have moved beyond those presentations.
Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#86I always loved Qt as a developer and hated it as a user. Every app/desktop environment written in it seem buggy and expensive on RAM. On the other side, I always loved GTK apps and their feel/design, but never got to make anything big myself in GTK. There are other points to this debate than RAM/Resources: Looks and feel, philosophy, feature bloatedness, etc.
Given the endless messages that each Gtk+ based application vomits into stdout/stderr, I wouldn't say they are any better.
Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#87One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…
« it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs » Well, the X5670 was a high-end 2P server CPU sold for $1400 ( https://ark.intel.com/products/47920/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5... ) so to fairly measure how performance has improved, you should compare it to a similarly priced product, like the AMD EPYC 7401 ( https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7401 ). And, oh, look at this: t…
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Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#88> our main focus is shifting from (providing a distribution for old hardware) to a (functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer.) I like Lubuntu and often use it for low powered devices and sometimes devices that aren't so low powered. This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus. Here's how you sho…
I have never used Lubuntu other than trying it out a few times, so this is just going off of the content in the article.
> This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus
To me, it seems that they ran the numbers (kudos to them for taking an empirical approach) and figured out that their original USP was now no longer unique enough, and they need to do something different to stay in the game.
But this article makes it seem like they haven't figured out what that something different is. They list a number of things they are going to provide, including: - leverage modern, Qt-based technologies and programs to give users a functional yet modular experience - Lubuntu will continue to be a transparent and open distribution - create and maintain complete documentation
And a few others. But none of these seem to be different enough from the other great choices available as Ubuntu flavors.
That's just my read on the article anyway.
Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can stick a new GPU into a 10 year old machine and it would run modern games admirably.
This is some Ship of Theseus territory we're getting into here, but I think most people would say that if you replace the GPU in your rig, it's not the same rig.
If it's still in the same case with the same CPU and motherboard, you could make a decent case for it being the same computer. Graphics cards are meant to be upgradeable, that's why they're sold separately.
I think for the purposes of OEM software licensing, they use CPU + motherboard as the defining hardware but I'm not sure.
Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
...because we've already got all the computing power we'll ever need? You think software developers not caring about performance is why we can't quickly simulate weather systems or protein folding or do large-scale ML?
I'd settle for text editors that don't lock up when I type an open paren. Or use entire sticks of RAM at rest.
Stop using editors written in Javascript by overpaid new-grads