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Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by manaskarekar »

I don't want to come across as ungrateful but I'm not very happy about this. I haven't looked into the reasons for this change but I'm sure there are some compelling ones to make such a big change.

LXDE based Lubuntu struck the perfect balance (for me) between:

- Being minimal and lightweight

- but works out of the box with enough batteries included

- tons of community resources due to being a ~buntu

- very, very customizable (I love my undecorated windows and no bullshit shortcuts/decorations etc)

- sane user experience, without any unnecessary bloat

- LTS support (albeit shorter than other ~buntu releases).

Yes, I can achieve these things some other way, but Lubuntu hit this sweet spot out of the box with minimal tweaking.

Maybe LXQt will be great, may be not, but at this point it reminds me of Ubuntu 10.10 which, IMHO, was as refined as Ubuntu (or any linux distro at the time) could be, and then they just decided to throw all that maturity and refinement away and start from scratch.

I truly hope LXQt based Lubuntu succeeds, but it's a sad day to me.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by Nition »

mustaflex wrote: post #23
chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

I have a desktop with an intel 3570k bought in 2012, I wanted to build a new gaming desktop with a ryzen 2700x. The ryzen is only 20% better in single threaded performance. I could easily overclock my cpu to close further the gap. Just need to upgrade my gpu and I'm good for a few more years. These cpus have aged quiet well.

I recently replaced my main desktop PC after nine years and the new CPU benchmarks at only about twice the performance.

Double the performance isn't too bad obviously, but that's about the same timespan as between the 486 and the Pentium III.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by jagger27 »

chx wrote: post #16

One of my friends was saying how her old Mac Pro with dual X5670 CPUs was one of the fastest machines for video transcoding she ever saw. That's a little bit less than ten years old but still older than Sandy Bridge. Someone did the math and it turns out today a top consumer (not HEDT) CPU barely matches this pair of CPUs in multithread performance https://hardforum.com/threads/replacing-dual-x5670.1963388/#... Obvio…

What's great is how cheap X5600 series CPUs are. I'm upgrading my off lease Dell PowerEdge T410 from dual E5640s with 8GB 1066 MHz RAM to X5670s and 32GB 1333 MHz RAM for less than $200 CAD. I should be also able to sell my old hardware for a few dollars.

The only annoying issue is having to use a piggyback PSU for my graphics card, an RX480. Dell just had to use a proprietary ATX-style connector or else I would have just replaced the stock PSU all together.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by hug »

EpicEng wrote: post #25
hug wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot think of a single AAA title in recent memory that causes my i7 2600k -- an 8 year old CPU -- to struggle. It can play absolutely every single modern game, with the only component upgrade in its 8 year life being the GPU.

>I cannot think of a single AAA title in recent memory that causes my i7 2600k -- an 8 year old CPU -- to struggle I cannot think of any modern, graphically demanding game which is bottlenecked by the CPU. I imagine you are harming your GPU performance to some degree with such an old CPU though. Not sure I buy what you're saying here. What settings are you using?

My point, of course, is that the only thing you’re going to measure a gaming rig by is gaming, which has very little to do with the age (or speed) of any component other than the GPU. Do you suspect, though, that the standard home user (or user of a repurposed old machine with Lubuntu on it, maybe) is going to be pushing those other components harder than a modern AAA game?

Yeah, me neither.

As an aside to answer your question:, I can run pretty much any game on its highest settings just fine with this machine: which is a gtx1070, 2600k, and 16gb of RAM driving a 120hz 1080p display. It was originally built with two HD5990s in crossfire.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by megaman22 »

StavrosK wrote: post #29
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, nah, it's about damn time software engineers start giving a shit about performance again.

...because we've already got all the computing power we'll ever need? You think software developers not caring about performance is why we can't quickly simulate weather systems or protein folding or do large-scale ML?

I'd settle for text editors that don't lock up when I type an open paren. Or use entire sticks of RAM at rest.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by azernik »

StavrosK wrote: post #29
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, nah, it's about damn time software engineers start giving a shit about performance again.

...because we've already got all the computing power we'll ever need? You think software developers not caring about performance is why we can't quickly simulate weather systems or protein folding or do large-scale ML?

GGP comment seemed to mostly be caring about personal computers, in which field we do have most the computing power we will need.

For those kinds of hard problems, the advances seem to be coming in massively parallel computing of the kind that is advancing (the GPGPU has transformed ML, for example).

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by StavrosK »

azernik wrote: post #36
StavrosK wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...because we've already got all the computing power we'll ever need? You think software developers not caring about performance is why we can't quickly simulate weather systems or protein folding or do large-scale ML?

GGP comment seemed to mostly be caring about personal computers, in which field we do have most the computing power we will need. For those kinds of hard problems, the advances seem to be coming in massively parallel computing of the kind that is advancing (the GPGPU has transformed ML, for example).

Yes, but the amount of computation that is practical to put in a car or a phone probably isn't going to increase much.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by _arvin »

Nition wrote: post #32
mustaflex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a desktop with an intel 3570k bought in 2012, I wanted to build a new gaming desktop with a ryzen 2700x. The ryzen is only 20% better in single threaded performance. I could easily overclock my cpu to close further the gap. Just need to upgrade my gpu and I'm good for a few more years. These cpus have aged quiet well.

I recently replaced my main desktop PC after nine years and the new CPU benchmarks at only about twice the performance. Double the performance isn't too bad obviously, but that's about the same timespan as between the 486 and the Pentium III.

I'm right there with you guys.

I made my desktop in 2014 with a Haswell i5-4670K @ 3.4GHz. Overclocked it to 4.3GHz, and I still don't have a reason to upgrade. I really want a Ryzen 2700X also but staying patient. Newer and better hardware will keep coming out so I'm in no rush. (but my next CPU will definitely be AMD)

My current thing right now is compiling the Linux kernel exactly catered to my Haswell machine, and using the latest gcc with "-march=native -O2" optimizations. It might seem minor, but man if she ain't screaming right now. I should mention I have an AMD RX 480 graphics card also. So I'm up-to-date in that world and enjoying the best of team red and blue right now. New drivers, software, kernels, and optimizations keep coming out that make my current hardware faster. But then came Spectre and Meltdown lol.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by mrdmnd »

_arvin wrote: post #38
Nition wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently replaced my main desktop PC after nine years and the new CPU benchmarks at only about twice the performance. Double the performance isn't too bad obviously, but that's about the same timespan as between the 486 and the Pentium III.

I'm right there with you guys. I made my desktop in 2014 with a Haswell i5-4670K @ 3.4GHz. Overclocked it to 4.3GHz, and I still don't have a reason to upgrade. I really want a Ryzen 2700X also but staying patient. Newer and better hardware will keep coming out so I'm in no rush. (but my next CPU will definitely be AMD) My current thing right now is compiling the Linux kernel exactly catered to my Haswell machine, an…

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Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by hak8or »

hug wrote: post #9
EpicEng wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It won't be long until my primary gaming rig is ten years old, and it's more than capable of everything I throw at it You must not throw much at it

I cannot think of a single AAA title in recent memory that causes my i7 2600k -- an 8 year old CPU -- to struggle. It can play absolutely every single modern game, with the only component upgrade in its 8 year life being the GPU.

Battle field 4 and battlefield 1, both of those games max out my cpu (3570k overclocked to 4 Ghz) and leave my 1070 twiddling it thumbs based on task manager and software to see GPU utilization.

Either my cpu is slower than it should be, your cpu is faster than it should be, or you don't check out one of the poster child's aaa game series.

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