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Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by stcredzero »

dmode wrote: post #66

Tesla only sold 104 Roadstars in 2011. Now they are on track to sell 250,000 Model S, X, and 3 combined in 2018. The scale of Tesla's accomplishment is truly under appreciated. It becomes even more impressive when you realize that this is an electric car, sold by Tesla owned stores, supported by over a thousand Superchargers. Amazing !!

Tesla only sold 104 Roadstars in 2011.

I'd love to see a Tesla version of the Road Star!

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Yamaha%20XV%...

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by Marsymars »

nilkn wrote: post #70
ghaff wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How awful that they're making cars that their customers want to buy. The reality is that electric cars aren't in great demand today, Everyone's working on them but most aren't in a particular hurry to push out cars that don't necessarily have a good mix of price/range/features for their customers and which they won't sell all that many of as a result.

Something no one really talks about is the difficulty of just charging an electric car for anyone who isn't a homeowner. That's a nontrivial question -- and possibly a dealbreaker -- for millions of apartment dwellers.

Or homeowners without garages. I live in a house but park in the street in front of it. I can't practically string an extension cord to my car to charge it every night.

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by [deleted] »

giobox wrote: post #120
djrogers wrote: post #108

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There are a lot of automotive buying decisions where you can save $15k by purchasing a smaller, slower, uglier car. It’s not a choice people always make.

Couldn't agree more. It's also not the point I'm making. Parent comment used the example of the 89 mile range Honda Clarity as evidence you don't get competitive battery range on non-Tesla cars. This is demonstrably not true.

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Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by icebraining »

geerlingguy wrote: post #23
melling wrote: post #21

Beyond the finances, Tesla says they’re still on target for 6000 Model 3’s a week by the end of the month. Throw in the other Models and Tesla will be shipping 300,000-400,000 electric cars a year. That’s quite an accomplishment.

I wish other car companies would create more compelling and somewhat affordable electric cars. At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great. Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Just take an existing dec…

The Jaguar I‑PACE looks pretty good to me, though not cheap.

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by hw »

nilkn wrote: post #70
ghaff wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How awful that they're making cars that their customers want to buy. The reality is that electric cars aren't in great demand today, Everyone's working on them but most aren't in a particular hurry to push out cars that don't necessarily have a good mix of price/range/features for their customers and which they won't sell all that many of as a result.

Something no one really talks about is the difficulty of just charging an electric car for anyone who isn't a homeowner. That's a nontrivial question -- and possibly a dealbreaker -- for millions of apartment dwellers.

Tesla's network of superchargers aim to solve this. They stopped giving out free supercharging IIRC, but it's still a great way to keep the battery close to topped off - you can do it as a short pitstop after driving to work, and the same after your drive home assuming you have a supercharger closeby

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Post by dmode »

gamblor956 wrote: post #154
dmode wrote: post #116

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I mean it is impressive. But Toyota was not really a startup with no manufacturing experience in 2000. Edit: Just reading the post twice. Tesla took 7 years to go from ~0 to 250K annually. Toyota took 18 years. Not really an apple to apple comparison

Toyota took 7 years as well. They did not start selling the Prius worldwide until 2000, and they hit 280k worldwide sales within 7 years. But if you want to compare yearly figures...the non-liftback models went from 0 sales to 530,000 in sales in just 2 years. Now that is impressive. And it's also the counterpoint to Musk's Tesla: both Tesla and Toyota knew that demand existed for their cars. But Toyota knew how to e…

Toyota had 80 years of car manufacturing and selling experience before the Prius. Of course, they will be able to execute properly on a product (which is an incremental innovation).

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by dmode »

gamblor956 wrote: post #155
dragonwriter wrote: post #126

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> It becomes even more impressive when you realize that before the Prius, there was no market for green cars, hybrid, electric, or otherwise. The first incarnation of the Honda Insight was before the Prius, and somewhat successful before the Prius came on the scene and took over.

Honda Insight was never offered for sale, lease only. I'm not including leases because Tesla does not lease their cars and lease stats are more than a simple Google search away. But if we were to include leases, Prius' stats would look even better.

I literally lease my Tesla

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by davidgould »

giobox wrote: post #120
djrogers wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of automotive buying decisions where you can save $15k by purchasing a smaller, slower, uglier car. It’s not a choice people always make.

Couldn't agree more. It's also not the point I'm making. Parent comment used the example of the 89 mile range Honda Clarity as evidence you don't get competitive battery range on non-Tesla cars. This is demonstrably not true.

> you don't get competitive battery range on non-Tesla cars. This is demonstrably not true.

While the Bolt is a nice car with good range, it is not range competitive with the Telsa LR model 3. I have been evaluating this in the context of driving from San Francisco to Portland. This is a practical drive in the Model 3, but not even close in the Bolt.

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by rconti »

aunty_helen wrote: post #167
dragonwriter wrote: post #126

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> It becomes even more impressive when you realize that before the Prius, there was no market for green cars, hybrid, electric, or otherwise. The first incarnation of the Honda Insight was before the Prius, and somewhat successful before the Prius came on the scene and took over.

From wikipedia: >Total global cumulative sales for the first generation Insight were 17,020 units Thats for '00-'06 sales. idk what the first year sales were but the Pirus was on the scene very soon after the Insight. The other obvious thing, the Insight looked like a car for weirdos. Something that tesla and later model prius / leaf's have tried to avoid.

I think we may be misremembering this. The Prius dates back to 1996, when it was based on the Echo. The Insight was '99.

Edit: Okay, maybe 1996 in Japan? According to this Wikipedia link, the Insight DOES predate the Prius but only in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicles_in_th...

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by davidgould »

mikestew wrote: post #64
zjaffee wrote: post #49

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Because battery technology isn't where it needs to be yet, where Tesla is absolutely winning when it comes to this. Honda released their plug in Honda Clarity, but it only has a range of 89 miles.

Honda released their plug in Honda Clarity, but it only has a range of 89 miles. Oh, c'mon, you're going to use a car I can't even find a price on for comparison? Honda wants a zip code to determine if I'm even privileged enough to buy one. Compare to a Chevy Bolt, as the sibling commenter mentions. The range might come up slightly short, but then go compare the price tags (and for bonus points, when you can get one)…

> If Chevy wanted to bump the price, I think they could easily match Tesla's range.

If the Bolt has room for more battery. Which from pictures it does not.

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