Buying a car that's more than, say, $30,000 is such a laughably poor decision. Cars depreciate rapidly unlike real estate where you actually maintain some equity. If you're in your 20s and looking to pump your new RSU wealth into something, almost anything is a better choice than an expensive car.
Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
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Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish other car companies would create more compelling and somewhat affordable electric cars. At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great. Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Just take an existing dec…
> Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Given that Ford is largely abandoning sedans, it would seem that they're not particularly popular anymore. The Leaf and Bolt aren't all that weird looking for hatchbacks. Original Leaf had some weird-ish features (like the headlights), but mostly had a similar profile to the Nissan Versa hatchback. The new 2018 mod…
>Given that Ford is largely abandoning sedans,
*Entirely abandoning.
Ford no longer produces any sedan models [0].
[0] http://fortune.com/2018/04/26/ford-no-longer-making-sedans/
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is that graph of their market share true? Do they really have a ~50% market share? It sounds really high. At that sort of percentage can they really grow at the rate they need? Yes, when comparing to other compact luxury sedans such as the BMW 3-series and the M-B C-Class, yes, they are at 50% market share. The question becomes, are they just selling cars to people who would have bought a car in that class, or are…
The Model 3's shipping though are essentially luxury models though, correct? Not the cheap one that would compete with a Camry, Accord, Malibu, all of which can be had for around 20k.
Model 3 is supposed to be the cheap/basic version. Maybe a model 5 will be mid/luxury along with model S
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish other car companies would create more compelling and somewhat affordable electric cars. At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great. Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Just take an existing dec…
We are about a year away from the Byton Electric Car here in the good 'ol USA - way better than any Tesla: https://www.byton.com
Don't forget the Faraday Future and the relaunch of the Fisker!
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because car companies are horridly shortsighted. All of the major US car makers right now are doubling down on building gas-guzzling pickup trucks and SUVs because they have a nice profit margin and because Americans love commuting alone downtown in traffic every day in their seats 7, 20 mpg abominations with trunks and beds that are never used. Maybe it's what's necessary to survive in the moment and maybe the momen…
Today one can buy electric and/or hybrid cars from Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Volvo, Audi, and even Jaguar. They are not going to stop making gas guzzlers, but they are steadily increasing their commitment to electric cars. If electric cars take over the mass market, most of them will be made by established carmakers who know how to crank out millions of cars per year and have thousands of de…
> By the way, I would love to have an electric car but I don't have anywhere to charge it because I live in an apartment without a garage.
I figure there might be an opening for a startup company to drive around neighbourhoods early in the morning, fast charging peoples cars for them. Subscription service. Partner with an electric car company.
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish other car companies would create more compelling and somewhat affordable electric cars. At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great. Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Just take an existing dec…
Hyundai makes something similar to an electric Honda Civic, the Hyundai Ioniq Electric: https://www.hyundaiusa.com/ioniq-electric/index.aspx It's "affordable" at $30k, but it has 1/2 the range of the Model 3 at around 130 miles, which I think tells you a lot. This technology is still at a price point where you need to make significant trade-offs between range and price. A new Honda Civic is something like $20k by com…
If you just want affordable, you can get a 2012 Nissan Leaf that gets about 85 miles per charge for $7000 asking price on Craigslist.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/2012-nissan-leaf/6658...
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Given that Ford is largely abandoning sedans, it would seem that they're not particularly popular anymore. The Leaf and Bolt aren't all that weird looking for hatchbacks. Original Leaf had some weird-ish features (like the headlights), but mostly had a similar profile to the Nissan Versa hatchback. The new 2018 mod…
Tangential question: why do people prefer sedans over hatchbacks? Hatchbacks seem a lot more practical than sedans with no obvious downside. I can see people preferring the looks of one or the other, but neither is objectively prettier.
Sedans are aerodynamic. Hatchbacks can fit more luggage.
A hatchback is the responsible choice for for a family car, and therefore boring by association.
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Given that Ford is largely abandoning sedans, it would seem that they're not particularly popular anymore. The Leaf and Bolt aren't all that weird looking for hatchbacks. Original Leaf had some weird-ish features (like the headlights), but mostly had a similar profile to the Nissan Versa hatchback. The new 2018 mod…
Tangential question: why do people prefer sedans over hatchbacks? Hatchbacks seem a lot more practical than sedans with no obvious downside. I can see people preferring the looks of one or the other, but neither is objectively prettier.
On the rational side (in addition to aesthetics, preference, etc.). There's also aesthetics and probably a general feel that a sedan is a more serious adult car.)
Some people prefer a separate locked trunk.
In addition, small hatchbacks often tend to be designed as 2-seaters with a vestigal back seat as a way to maximize the use of the hatchback for cargo. As you get bigger you get something more like an Outback wagon or (increasingly) a crossover of some sort.
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#99Tesla only sold 104 Roadstars in 2011. Now they are on track to sell 250,000 Model S, X, and 3 combined in 2018. The scale of Tesla's accomplishment is truly under appreciated. It becomes even more impressive when you realize that this is an electric car, sold by Tesla owned stores, supported by over a thousand Superchargers. Amazing !!
I wonder how many of those are Model S. I hope that Model S is not suffering any problems so that Model 3 and Model X can go forward. I am only person in my circle of friends interested in Model S as opposed to the other two models. Anecdotally, I lost count of the number of Model 3's I see on a daily basis in Bay Area.
What attracts you about the S more than the 3?
Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update
#100Is that graph of their market share true? Do they really have a ~50% market share? It sounds really high. At that sort of percentage can they really grow at the rate they need? I know they say things like > We are drawing customers from many other segments, including non-premiums sedans and hatchbacks. Is that the source of growth at this point?
> Is that graph of their market share true? Do they really have a ~50% market share? It sounds really high. At that sort of percentage can they really grow at the rate they need? Yes, when comparing to other compact luxury sedans such as the BMW 3-series and the M-B C-Class, yes, they are at 50% market share. The question becomes, are they just selling cars to people who would have bought a car in that class, or are…
In fact, on the call they said that the top 5 non-tesla cars being traded in for a tesla are:
Toyota Prius BMW 3-series Honda Accord Honda Civic Nissan Leaf