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Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by iainmerrick »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #68
giobox wrote: post #53

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This simply isn't true - the Chevrolet Bolt has an EPA-estimate 238 mile range, with many reviewers getting close to 300. Pretty much what you get in a base Model 3. What's more you can actually walk into a dealership and buy a Bolt today, good luck trying that with a Model 3. It also costs almost 15 grand less than the cheapest Model 3 Tesla is currently shipping, given they still don't have a release date for the m…

Supercharger network, OTA updates, superior driver assist system, superior warranty. I’d wait for a Model 3 instead of buying a Bolt off the lot. Range isn’t everything.

Can you pay extra to get a car that just works, and no OTA updates?

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by [deleted] »

iainmerrick wrote: post #73
mikepavone wrote: post #67

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> Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Given that Ford is largely abandoning sedans, it would seem that they're not particularly popular anymore. The Leaf and Bolt aren't all that weird looking for hatchbacks. Original Leaf had some weird-ish features (like the headlights), but mostly had a similar profile to the Nissan Versa hatchback. The new 2018 mod…

Tangential question: why do people prefer sedans over hatchbacks? Hatchbacks seem a lot more practical than sedans with no obvious downside. I can see people preferring the looks of one or the other, but neither is objectively prettier.

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Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by toomuchtodo »

iainmerrick wrote: post #81
toomuchtodo wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supercharger network, OTA updates, superior driver assist system, superior warranty. I’d wait for a Model 3 instead of buying a Bolt off the lot. Range isn’t everything.

Can you pay extra to get a car that just works, and no OTA updates?

No. Not a vehicle for the paranoid (not used as a derogatory term).

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by AshleyGrant »

rconti wrote: post #56
tedunangst wrote: post #45

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If you sell a gas car today, you can sell the same customer an electric car tomorrow.

In theory, yes. We just drove our Model 3 home 13 days ago. IF you want an electric car, nothing else on the market has the compelling mix of features that the 3 has, IMO. I'm a big BMW fan, and they keep promising that they'll be selling normal electric cars Real Soon Like Now, but frankly, most automaker efforts are either 'weird' electrics like the i3 or Leaf or Bolt (which have their own range or fast charging ne…

>I'm a big BMW fan, and they keep promising that they'll be selling normal electric cars Real Soon Like Now

I feel ya. I'm a chapter officer in the BMW Car Club, but we just placed an order for a Model 3 for my wife on Saturday. The only thing even remotely on the horizon for BMW is the iX3, which will be produced in China (even though BMW produces all X3s in the US currently). It will only have 250 miles of range. And it launches in 2020.

I currently drive a 530e plugin hybrid. I tell anyone who will listen not to waste their time with it. It has 15-20 miles of real world EV-only range. I live in a small town and it typically isn't enough for me to drive across town and back if I have the AC on. If I wasn't so upside down on the lease (12 months in), I'd be ordering myself a Model 3.

My wife made me get rid of the 2015 M3 I had prior to the 530e. I greatly miss that vehicle, but now the joke is that she's going to be the one with an M3. Just a slightly different kind of M3.

My next vehicle is not likely to be a BMW. It is mostly likely to be either a Tesla or a Porsche Taycan. Maybe BMW will have something worth my time in 2023. And it's so sad as they were ahead of the curve with the i3. And then they did... nothing.

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by _ea1k »

MarkusAllen wrote: post #65
geerlingguy wrote: post #23

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I wish other car companies would create more compelling and somewhat affordable electric cars. At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great. Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Just take an existing dec…

We are about a year away from the Byton Electric Car here in the good 'ol USA - way better than any Tesla: https://www.byton.com

I'll believe it if I see it. I'd be really surprised if they have anything in the US before 2021 or 2022.

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by devy »

geerlingguy wrote: post #23
melling wrote: post #21

Beyond the finances, Tesla says they’re still on target for 6000 Model 3’s a week by the end of the month. Throw in the other Models and Tesla will be shipping 300,000-400,000 electric cars a year. That’s quite an accomplishment.

I wish other car companies would create more compelling and somewhat affordable electric cars. At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great. Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Just take an existing dec…

> At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great.

Yeah, Nissan LEAF and Chevy Bolt might not look great but they are far more affordable. With heavy federal and state incentives (and sometime as much as $10k incentives from local utility companies), you are talking about half or even as little as a third of the Model 3 MSRP. [1][2]

[1]: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110809_lots-of-ways-to...

[2]: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1113092_costco-members-...

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by tedunangst »

secabeen wrote: post #30
Alex3917 wrote: post #17

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Even that phaseout will probably result in a lot of cancellations from people who have been on the waiting list for several months already but who haven't taken delivery by the end of the year. Especially for the orders at the lower end of the price spectrum, which haven't even started shipping yet. Loss aversion is real, and people aren't going to be happy about being asked to suddenly pay ~20% more for the exact sa…

> Loss aversion is real, and people aren't going to be happy about being asked to suddenly pay ~20% more for the exact same car. It's 10% more at most, and they are making it pretty clear now that the Short Range model will not be available before January 2019. Even then, many people can't even realize the entirety of a $7,500 tax credit. A single person needs $60k in income to generate $7,500 in taxes due after the…

Is 50% of annual income a typical price point for car purchases?

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by aphextron »

MarkusAllen wrote: post #65
geerlingguy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish other car companies would create more compelling and somewhat affordable electric cars. At least in the US, the only two cars I can think of (besides the Model 3, which is hard to come by) that move the needle at all are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which look... not great. Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Just take an existing dec…

We are about a year away from the Byton Electric Car here in the good 'ol USA - way better than any Tesla: https://www.byton.com

I wouldn't count on any Chinese car passing US road safety testing any time soon.

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by javagram »

iainmerrick wrote: post #73
mikepavone wrote: post #67

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> Why don't any other car companies offer a 'standard' mid size or compact sedan that's fully electric? Given that Ford is largely abandoning sedans, it would seem that they're not particularly popular anymore. The Leaf and Bolt aren't all that weird looking for hatchbacks. Original Leaf had some weird-ish features (like the headlights), but mostly had a similar profile to the Nissan Versa hatchback. The new 2018 mod…

Tangential question: why do people prefer sedans over hatchbacks? Hatchbacks seem a lot more practical than sedans with no obvious downside. I can see people preferring the looks of one or the other, but neither is objectively prettier.

Sedans are a bit easier to cool/warm due to less air volume. The trunk also feels more secure for storage of valuables than leaving them exposed in a glass hatchback’s rear. Style and price also play into it I think but even cheap hatchbacks like the Ford Fiesta don’t sell that well in the US.

In general people looking for a practical car in the US are often buying a crossover, SUV, or pickup truck.

Re: Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update

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Post by pseudocook »

dmode wrote: post #66

Tesla only sold 104 Roadstars in 2011. Now they are on track to sell 250,000 Model S, X, and 3 combined in 2018. The scale of Tesla's accomplishment is truly under appreciated. It becomes even more impressive when you realize that this is an electric car, sold by Tesla owned stores, supported by over a thousand Superchargers. Amazing !!

I wonder how many of those are Model S. I hope that Model S is not suffering any problems so that Model 3 and Model X can go forward. I am only person in my circle of friends interested in Model S as opposed to the other two models.

Anecdotally, I lost count of the number of Model 3's I see on a daily basis in Bay Area.

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