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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by stuckinarut »

travmatt wrote: post #279
bsiemon wrote: post #182

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> You can't throw more money at a problem, then declare you've come up with a general solution. I agree in general that throwing money at a problem by itself is rarely useful. However, I think your statement sets up a false dichotomy. Is the answer to give every school 10 billion dollars? No. Is the answer to fund schools enough that they can give free meals to students and pay teachers enough to stay? Maybe.

It’s so weird to come on HN and read how money isn’t the solution and we’re just throwing money after problems, then go onto my Facebook and see gofundme campaigns from my teacher friends trying to afford supplies for their students. It really enforces to me that most people don’t let their lack of knowledge or interest in an area stop them from passing judgements.

I think America over uses the "Just toss money at the problem" approach.

In the case of education I do agree more money is needed.

For something like health care, massive reforms are needed.

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Post by [deleted] »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #156
Nokinside wrote: post #105

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You understand economics very narrowly if you use that as the only basis of your ad hominem. Warren worked in the field where she needed good economic knowledge.

I occasionally hear of Warren making statements, about economic matters, that are completely detached from reality. The problem isn't knowledge, it's judgement.

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by naravara »

stuckinarut wrote: post #300
verall wrote: post #212

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I don't see how this is an elephant in the room or a conversation we can't have right now. Lets. What, besides providing extra resources to underpriveleged children so they are not punished for their parents mistakes, can be done? Are you suggesting we make their parents "pay" somehow? Or a program to prevent the parents from having 5+ kids when they don't have the resources?

better sex education, better access to contraceptives, better access to abortion. You don't punish the problem away, you help people avoid it themselves.

I like the assumption that the 5+ kids are all just due to irresponsible people popping children out and not, say, the results of generous people fostering family members who would be in even worse situations otherwise or a mother who is being raped by a partner.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by stuckinarut »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #60
Invictus0 wrote: post #32

I'm wondering if this school will be sustainable in the long term. Given the correlation between low-income neighborhoods and poor school performance, how is I Promise going to be supported by taxpayers? Many school districts scrounge for basic supplies; how long will they be able to keep this free bike program going?

They could make it self-sustaining by adding some business model to support it. As others have said, maybe buy up and renovate/rent out homes near by driving up property costs (and taxes), or 'encouraging' college alums down the road to give back from their success. Maybe the model itself proves something on a national level, and the government decides this is the 'future' and earmarks more money for schools like thi…

that sounds like a great way to just force out the people who's kids are benefiting.

How about trying to strongarm the government into actually giving out the damn funding.

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Post by dsnuh »

jschwartzi wrote: post #251
JamesBarney wrote: post #203

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Because it is really hard to compete with the love a parent, even a really shitty one.

It's not even really that. Your home environment sets your barometer for what normal life looks like and for how strangers can be expected to behave. If your parents fight and assume ill intent in every mistake then you see that in every interaction. If they're constantly trying to get one over on each other then that's how you see human relationships. They don't have to love you or be particularly invested in you fo…

It is really even that. Just because it may not be logical or make sense, family bonds amd familial love are still a thing, even in families with lots of problems.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by naravara »

cardine wrote: post #241
textor wrote: post #221

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Anecdotal experiences are near worthless when discussing policies, though. Feel insulted all you like; statistically speaking, these resources are wasted. Chances are you'd be equally well off without them.

Anecdotal experiences are near worthless, but sweeping statements with no cited sources are equally as bad.

Incorrect. They're worse.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

masklinn wrote: post #68
roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

> Longer school days, 3 meals, and a longer school year helps students stay focused. The middle one is absolutely true, the other two I really doubt e.g. in Finland or Germany, schoolday starts around 9AM and ends around 2PM, yielding 3h30 to 4h studies a day accounting for breaks, 5 days/week, with little homework (maybe 5h/week total). Afternoon is usually dedicated to clubs.

The difference is that in Finland etc. there are social services and childcare systems in place to support those kids outside of school hours.

Where does an inner city African American kid go after school if both parents (or single parent) are working? Who pays for that?

In countries with adequate social services, this is less of an issue.

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Post by stuckinarut »

naravara wrote: post #333
stuckinarut wrote: post #300

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better sex education, better access to contraceptives, better access to abortion. You don't punish the problem away, you help people avoid it themselves.

I like the assumption that the 5+ kids are all just due to irresponsible people popping children out and not, say, the results of generous people fostering family members who would be in even worse situations otherwise or a mother who is being raped by a partner.

I did make that assumption because it doesn't fucking matter why, those are all still things that should be done. Domestic violence is bad, fortunately we can focus on more than one damn thing.

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Post by gedy »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #253
gedy wrote: post #235

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> Charter schools take money away from neighborhood public schools Such a lie/distortion

How is it a lie? Money going to charters is money not going to the neighborhood school.

Kids going to School A from School B means that School A doesn't need to pay anything for that student. Plus public charter schools typically run less overhead and are more efficient per student.[0]

[0] http://www.uaedreform.org/downloads/2014/07/the-productivity...

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by naravara »

fhood wrote: post #219
s73v3r_ wrote: post #210

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"but does very little to help my country move past the political chasm that has opened up, and is crippling our government." The Right has never seemed interested in engaging the Left. So why is it now the Left's fault that they are recognizing that, and showing less interest in engaging the Right?

Because we aren't trying to win an argument here. It isn't about being in the right or winning, it is about successfully running a country.

The Right, particularly the "Freedom" Caucus goons, are specifically opposed to successfully running a country. They resent the very existence of government intervening on behalf of people at the expense of their donors. It is impossible to successfully run a country if you give those people veto power over the legislative process. They are here to engage in sabotage, not progress.
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