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How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Open question that wasnt really discussed in the article- Why are charter schools demonized? My local area HATES them, and I'm not sure if its politics or worthwhile. EDIT: Why did I get 5 downvotes?

The core issue is that they figure out how to deliver schooling at a minimal operating cost while maximizing returns to the investors who hold the bonds on the building. The investors are often charter school advocates or in the know. Frankly, it's a corrupt and disgusting system.

Once they start operating, they are intensely focused on minimizing cost. That translates into alot of student displacement as children who are disruptive or have various disabilities get tossed back, and increases the costs and operational challenges.

They are also disruptive to orderly and efficient operations of school districts. Kids and bureaucracies don't accept change well -- bouncing these kids creates problems.

In the small city I live in, charters appeared like locusts, and led the city district to close and sell a couple of schools. As the charters attrit troublesome students and get shut down for poor performance, hundreds of kids get "dumped". That results in overcrowded and high churn schools. My local elementary school lost it's music room, half of the library and has two outdoor classrooms as additional space that had to be cleared out to accomodate disabled students and handle growing class sizes.

They're stuck in a catch-22 -- their budgets are out of wack because they need proportionally more special ed teachers, and it's hard to know true capacity and more charters open and close.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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'Public' meaning run by the local government, if that confused anyone else like me who comes from a place where it means the opposite.

[[ In the British system the thing that makes a Public School different isn't whether it's run by the state (those are State Schools) but the fact that it's open _to_ the public. Historically some schools were exclusively for (children of) members of an organisation, for example a school might be for Roman Catholics, or members of the livery company of goldsmiths, or businessmen of a certain city. The Public Schools didn't care who you were, or where you came from, only that your money was good. ]]

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Charter schools have inflated performance metrics. Often charter schools don't serve special needs students. More than that, charter schools bias towards engaged and interested parents. Because of policies like No Child Left Behind, it is really bad for local neighborhood schools to have all of their high performing students leave for charter schools. Thats an interesting way of saying that charter schools get bett…

Yes, due to an unfair advantage. As per the text you quoted: > charter schools don't serve special needs students. More than that, charter schools bias towards engaged and interested parents. Because of policies like No Child Left Behind, it is really bad for local neighborhood schools to have all of their high performing students leave for charter schools.

so if I'm an engaged and interested parent, and I want my child to succeed, looks like charter schools are the correct answer about where to send my kids.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, due to an unfair advantage. As per the text you quoted: > charter schools don't serve special needs students. More than that, charter schools bias towards engaged and interested parents. Because of policies like No Child Left Behind, it is really bad for local neighborhood schools to have all of their high performing students leave for charter schools.

so if I'm an engaged and interested parent, and I want my child to succeed, looks like charter schools are the correct answer about where to send my kids.

1. No. Charter schools select the best students but that doesn't say that they're actually better at educating them than a normal public school.

2. You don't believe that kids should share an environment with the less-advantaged? Even if we said that your child may be more likely to 'succeed' when they are placed in an environment where almost no kids are materially wanting or have special needs - what kind of person are they going to be? Unfortunately it seems they are likely to grow up to be the same kind of person you are.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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'Public' meaning run by the local government, if that confused anyone else like me who comes from a place where it means the opposite.

[[ In the British system the thing that makes a Public School different isn't whether it's run by the state (those are State Schools) but the fact that it's open _to_ the public. Historically some schools were exclusively for (children of) members of an organisation, for example a school might be for Roman Catholics, or members of the livery company of goldsmiths, or businessmen of a certain city. The Public Schools…

The British term makes so much more sense to me.

British public schools are run by members of the public for any members of the public (who can pay and pass the exam).

American public schools are run by local government only for people the local government wants to admit (based on where you live etc).

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Open question that wasnt really discussed in the article- Why are charter schools demonized? My local area HATES them, and I'm not sure if its politics or worthwhile. EDIT: Why did I get 5 downvotes?

Charter schools are a great option when your school district has poor management and private school is not an option for some reason. Teacher unions hate them for a various number of reasons, in my view the main reason is that they are threatened by them. There are great charter schools and great public schools as well as horrible public schools and charter schools.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Open question that wasnt really discussed in the article- Why are charter schools demonized? My local area HATES them, and I'm not sure if its politics or worthwhile. EDIT: Why did I get 5 downvotes?

I worked for 2 years as an AmeriCorps volunteer in Atlanta Public Schools. I'll preface this by saying I don't know if I believe charter schools are bad or good, but here are some arguments against them: - Charter schools take money away from neighborhood public schools. Most schools are funded per-capita, so fewer students means less money. But many costs are fixed/discrete (e.g. school nurse costs N thousand dollar…

Lol, school nurse. Those disappeared in the 80s. Now it is normal for a single first aid attendant to cover multiple schools. Nurses cost way too much.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #11

Open question that wasnt really discussed in the article- Why are charter schools demonized? My local area HATES them, and I'm not sure if its politics or worthwhile. EDIT: Why did I get 5 downvotes?

Kids with special needs are statistically less served by charter schools - significantly. This means a greater burden on the non charter schools with the same budget (charter school students don't pay more) - and special needs kids aren't paid by federal funds (where I live it's mostly local tax). Also they statistically perform equally or more poorly compared to public schools.

I guess one solution is that we then get charter schools that cater to special needs students.. we sort of have these programs already with center based autism "schools". However, going down this path will eventually run into Brown vs board of education.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Charter schools have inflated performance metrics. Often charter schools don't serve special needs students. More than that, charter schools bias towards engaged and interested parents. Because of policies like No Child Left Behind, it is really bad for local neighborhood schools to have all of their high performing students leave for charter schools. Thats an interesting way of saying that charter schools get bett…

But they get better results because they get better students.

The real question is whether they get results that are as much better as they should be, since they are selecting students up front. I suspect that picking your inputs at a very young age is more about marketing and capturing money than it is about true ability to perform.

Either that, or it is simply a follow on of the fact that parents with money, free time, and high levels of education tend to have students that do well in school. The school may make no difference at all if the kids learn a lot at home.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #14

This "normal public school" line is bizarre to me. Yes, it's a part of the school district. But it accepts specific students and has its own expanded curriculum. It's a magnet school.

Yes but it's a magnet of underprivileged and at risk students. Not your typical magnet. Props to LeBron for starting the school.
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