Diversity quotas suck. Here’s why

Post by qqengineer » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 12:25 PM UTC

belorn wrote: post #70

batiudrami wrote: post #35

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It makes me sad that you think diversity is overrated because there are corporations who get "great financial results" without it. Diversity is good because it is designed such that, as best we can, everyone has equal opportunities. While, as a white man the fact that I may have been overlooked in graduate programs because many engineering firms have quotas sucks, but it is one small impediment in a world which was b…

If affirmative action is the best tool, why not make it into a general rule or law. At minimum why doesn't the government who love to talk about diversity implement it as a generally policy for their own hiring? A simple "if a government job title has less than X% compared to existing proportion of the population, then any new hiring must apply affirmative action to correct it" . One of the biggest problem with affir…

It is law bro - just it's only law for federal contractors or subcontractors with more than 50 people and at a certain revenue level that haven't met the 4/5ths rule. #doyourresearch is becoming a common theme in this thread...

Post by manigandham » Fri, Aug 03, 2018, 3:40 AM UTC

themarkn wrote: post #95

manigandham wrote: post #93

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But that's the issue, nothing should be done for a certain result because that's assuming there is some omniscient knowledge of what is the "right" outcome. That just doesn't exist so attempting it will always lead to chaos. Give people freedom and the opportunity to do what they want, and then the result will naturally be the fairest possible.

> Give people freedom and the opportunity to do what they want, and then the result will naturally be the fairest possible. If we all started with the same options, this would be true. Our limits would only be reflections of our preferences and natural abilities. Like in an RPG where we pick wether to be a warrior or mage or whatever - you go down a skills path by choice based on what you want to achieve and what res…

No, bias is still bias. You do not beat discrimination by discriminating against another group of people.

Don't focus on the outcome and try to engineer what you think is fair. That only leads to chaos because you can't possibly understand every individual's life experience.

Life will never be fair. That is a fundamental aspect of reality, so trying to arrange the future without perfect omniscience means you are doing nothing more than adding another roll of the dice. It may seem like you're equalizing things, but you're not.

Like I said, the focus should be on opportunity. That is vastly different than outcome, and it does mean that we should strive to make it so that anyone from any background has a chance to do what they want to do. That doesn't mean that some won't have to worker harder than others, again life isn't fair and that'll always be a part of it, but the chance is what matters. As long as people have a chance, then they have a chance to achieve their goals and dreams and actually find happiness. That's the only way it works.

Re: Diversity quotas suck. Here’s why

Re: Diversity quotas suck. Here’s why