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Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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As a fellow bullied child, I can empathize with the treatment, but I could not disagree more with the proposed solutions.

You simply can not treat children as adults nor can all family situations be adapted to yield the necessary love & care required to raise a non-bully. Biologically, children also don't have the same ability to morally reason and weigh present actions against future consequences. There's also a good deal of evidence which suggests some personalities and brains have a preternatural inclination towards aggressive actions and violence.

Children also learn, nearly from birth, how to please their parents and will often, as the author did, shield their "shame" at being bullied.

I was taught by my father, quite simply, to "always stand up for your rights" and that "dignity itself is worth fighting for".

As a kid, I never started a fight, but I ALWAYS responded to violence with violence. For many bullies, violence is really is the only social interchange they understand and the attention they receive from the public physical domination of others is their main source of self-esteem.

I got into my fair share of physical altercations (which I lost more than I won) and subsequent interactions with school disciplinary actions.

Nevertheless, win or lose, I never regretted any fight as they were 100% effective at preventing future bullying.

If a bully "gets bullied back", they back down. If a bully "wins a fight", they know you're always ready to throw-down and take the full measure of consequences so they move on to easier "prey".

School systems are different, but at least in my case, it always helped out with the school authorities to have the higher GPA and be recognized socially as the "good kid that got in trouble".

Finally, one learns at a visceral level, the numerous costs and few benefits of violence. Violence becomes a viable option, internalized very concretely, as the option of absolute last resort.

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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I went to school in India and while there was some mild bullying now and again it was nowhere near as bad as this. I find it surprising how big a problem it is here in the US especially at the junior and high school level. In India the problem is with hazing (called "ragging") at the college level. Why do teachers stand by and let bullying continue unabated ?

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both your post and the original overgeneralize, treating bullies as a monolithic entity with a single motivation and a single response. Bullies are not "wild animals" bullying for "no reason", they're people with unique intellects and desires and motivations that you, or they, may not understand. They may want others to see them as tough, or to feel powerful or in control, or for laughs, or because they have somethin…

Making him feel respected and improving his self-esteem? I remember how adults used to bullshit me and tell me that low-esteem was why so-and-so was probably bullying me and that I should pity him or at least try to understand. Fuck that. I believe that there is a tiny tiny percentage of a chance that that is actually ever the cause of bullying. Maybe I'm biased though. I was a "target" from grades 4-8 and didn't mak…

There appears to be some evidence that bullies are more likely to have too much self-esteem rather than too little:

"The highest and lowest rates of cheating and bullying are found in different sub-categories of high self-esteem."

From: http://www.psychologicalscience.org/journals/pspi/pdf/pspi41...

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

#54

This comment will be controversial, especially for North Americans and Western Europeans. I ask you to read it and think about it a moment before reacting, and comment if you disagree. I believe what I'm about to say is true, and I'm not trying to get a rise out of people - I want to fix some problems with society. I feel for the author. I also moved around a lot as a kid. No, wasn't a military family. Just coinciden…

>If you're not strong enough to impose your will on someone making violence on you, then train and get stronger. If you're intelligent, it doesn't matter if the other guy is bigger than you. Take up boxing or martial arts. Brain beats brawn. In 9th grade having a little boxing under my belt, i was attacked by and successfully won the fight with 2 10th graders. Well, a half-day latter, the 10+ of them met me. Not ever…

Very true. The biggest problem with the parent comment is that this can and does happen. I've known plenty of bullied kids who scrapped it out only to have the bully's entire clique ambush them the next day.

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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I disagree strongly with the sentiment that bullies just need love, that they're only doing it because they are hurting too. People are diverse, so I won't deny that perhaps that's sometimes true. But I think it would be more accurate to say that bullies do it because it's fun and above all because they can . In short, bullies need to face punishments with teeth. And the bullied need to have access to a justice syste…

That's the best post in this entire thread. People don't get bullied in adulthood because there is a working police and judicial entity. People get bullied as kids because there isn't one. Currently kids grow up for 18 years in a everyone-for-himself, in-order-to-be-successfull-you-need-physical-strength-and-iron-will world, and just then they switch to the much better and fairer world where being sucessful is not de…

"People don't get bullied in adulthood because there is a working police and judicial entity."

Unfortunately while adults may be largely free from the physical violence, workplace bullying does occur. Usually it is more subtle than the outright taunting and physical violence of schoolyard bullies, which means its harder to retaliate against but it can be very stressful - and HR is not on your side.

"Currently kids grow up for 18 years in a everyone-for-himself, in-order-to-be-successfull-you-need-physical-strength-and-iron-will world,.."

Sadly, the only other system I can think of that shares these traits is one called "prison".

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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This comment will be controversial, especially for North Americans and Western Europeans. I ask you to read it and think about it a moment before reacting, and comment if you disagree. I believe what I'm about to say is true, and I'm not trying to get a rise out of people - I want to fix some problems with society. I feel for the author. I also moved around a lot as a kid. No, wasn't a military family. Just coinciden…

"... But son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you, they've crossed a line. Fuck them up. It's the only thing these vicious freaks understand. They're wild animals. They make violence on you, you need to show them that you're the stronger, bigger animal. When someone attacks you maliciously for no reason, you need to impose your will on them. ..."

And the first girl who uses an indirect asymmetric attack? This approach will not work.

"... Teach your kid to fight back and fight smart. Protect the weak. Be hell and misery to bad people. ..."

There is a concept of proportional response and if you fail to apply it you could actually cause more damage to others and yourself. You do not want to "unleash the beast" inside. People are killed every day by someone loosing control and going too far. There are long term consequences for this type of approach. Consequences for yourself and others.

You have to decide before hand with a cool head what are your "rules of engagement?" Where do you draw the line? What is your proportional response? Is it offensive or purely defensive? Are your motives pure? Or are they to "do harm" to save face?

If you want to "fight smart" I'd advise Akido (合気道) because the core ideas are faithful to the ideals of "be good", "minimal harm" and self preservation. Akido allows you to achieve this through redirection of force and removing "ego" from the equation. You can use Akido techniques for both physical force and psychological protection.

Maybe these ideas are too subtle. But one thing I notice is the pattern of those being abused repeating the pattern of abusers. There are alternatives to break this cycle. Remember, "your actions have real consequences", short and long term. [0]

[0] Lynne Soraya, "Friends and Allies: What being bullied taught me about friendship" ~ http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/aspergers-diary/200910/f...

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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This comment will be controversial, especially for North Americans and Western Europeans. I ask you to read it and think about it a moment before reacting, and comment if you disagree. I believe what I'm about to say is true, and I'm not trying to get a rise out of people - I want to fix some problems with society. I feel for the author. I also moved around a lot as a kid. No, wasn't a military family. Just coinciden…

Fuck them up. It's the only thing these vicious freaks understand

They're wild animals.

Impose your will on them.

Teach your kid to fight back and fight smart

Fight dirty if you have to.

If you're much smaller, pick up a hard object and do it.

Show them that you'll go to self-destructive lengths to defend yourself

I agree with this. This is why I've given my kids knives. Most bullies are dumb and unarmed, so it's easy to catch them off guard with a quick shiv to the kidney. Plus if you're a minor and you aren't a non-asian minority or hillbilly you'll get off scott free and your record will be expunged when you turn 18.

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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post #43
post #14

I disagree strongly with the sentiment that bullies just need love, that they're only doing it because they are hurting too. People are diverse, so I won't deny that perhaps that's sometimes true. But I think it would be more accurate to say that bullies do it because it's fun and above all because they can . In short, bullies need to face punishments with teeth. And the bullied need to have access to a justice syste…

That's the best post in this entire thread. People don't get bullied in adulthood because there is a working police and judicial entity. People get bullied as kids because there isn't one. Currently kids grow up for 18 years in a everyone-for-himself, in-order-to-be-successfull-you-need-physical-strength-and-iron-will world, and just then they switch to the much better and fairer world where being sucessful is not de…

"People don't get bullied in adulthood because there is a working police and judicial entity. People get bullied as kids because there isn't one."

People do get bullied in adulthood .. there are many stories and reports involving bullying in the workplace.

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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This comment will be controversial, especially for North Americans and Western Europeans. I ask you to read it and think about it a moment before reacting, and comment if you disagree. I believe what I'm about to say is true, and I'm not trying to get a rise out of people - I want to fix some problems with society. I feel for the author. I also moved around a lot as a kid. No, wasn't a military family. Just coinciden…

I had a rather indirect experience of this. I had a paper route as a kid and on one part of it lived a bully that would come out and harass me to the point where I would avoid the neighborhood (didn't go over well with people who missed their paper either). For some reason I never could bring myself to fight back, but at some point my Mom found out (I think I was asking my Dad how to fight or something and that clued her in that something must be going on). Anyway she came with me the next time and layed the smack down on that kid and I never had a problem after that.

Edit: I don't think she was actually physically violent but rather he got an earful that probably made him think there could be violence if he ever tried anything again.

Re: Memoirs of a Bullied Kid

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you're not strong enough to impose your will on someone making violence on you, then train and get stronger. If you're intelligent, it doesn't matter if the other guy is bigger than you. Take up boxing or martial arts. Brain beats brawn. In 9th grade having a little boxing under my belt, i was attacked by and successfully won the fight with 2 10th graders. Well, a half-day latter, the 10+ of them met me. Not ever…

Very true. The biggest problem with the parent comment is that this can and does happen. I've known plenty of bullied kids who scrapped it out only to have the bully's entire clique ambush them the next day.

Ender's Game comes to mind. Win. Period.
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