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Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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> But I don't know if I have a book in me. Because every time I try to write things that could possibly turn into a book I read them and they don't sound very good. I know what I'd have to do to change that, namely write a lot every day for a few years until it clicked. But I don't. Could you expand on what you mean by this? problem: you write down something, but it doesn't sound very good solution: write a lot every…

Consider it from an engineering perspective: Problem: I write some code, but it doesn't work very well. Solution: Write a lot of code every day for a few years. The implication is that you learn what kinds of things are good and bad through practical experience, rather than simply re-writing the same implementation/prose every day.

But in the case of the commenter I was responding to, they had already gathered a lot of experience through work. This isn't a matter of learning (as they "know" what they have to do), but apparently the solution simply requires such expenditure of time, even for someone who is a professional writer.

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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Agreed. I could run a marathon if I put in the effort. The reason I "can't" is truthfully that I can't be arsed . If you want to run a marathon what you're saying is that you're happy for training for that marathon to take over your life for, probably, about a year, and I'm not motivated to do that. With that being said Eddie Izzard, with little training, ran 43 marathons in 51 days. He didn't break any records or wi…

But I could do it, because I've absolutely written a book's worth of words over the past few years. It depends on the genre and if it's fiction or non-fiction. Non fiction, yes. But fiction is harder because of stylistic attributes and the fact it all has to connect. It's not like writing 300 300-word blog posts.

Nonfiction is only harder if you are trying to make it interesting. Outside of that, it is very much easier.

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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I take great interest in people's literary ambitions and hear them out. My hope is that they really do have a book inside them, a story that just needs to be told or a new idea that the world just needs to know.

However, I usually find that this is not the case. There is no big idea. There is no innate storytelling ability. The genre is not of interest. The true passion is not there. Basic grammar is not there.

So why do they persist with the dream? Exactly because it is a dream. A dream to be published and to get validation from the whole world that they are someone. A dream to be rich and to go on book tours and to be invited in to a premium world of literary events. Like the lottery it is a dream to be the one that gets picked out of the pile of manuscripts for a team of editors, marketing people, lumberjacks and bean counters to devote themselves to their words.

We all want to be listened to and recognition is up there with food and a roof over one's head as a basic human need.

Publishing sets out an awful path for people to achieve these things. As a consequence a lot of wannabee writers are not really cut from the right cloth for it. You have to either be really good or have delusions of grandeur to want to take the path set out by publishing. Unless you really do have a story that does need to be told, some form and genuine motivation not tarnished by the aforementioned dreams of wanting the world to fall at your feet because you are up there with the Shakespeares and Hawkings of this world.

So this creates a situation where the people that really do have a book inside them that needs to be shared are less likely to be the ones putting themselves through the perverse pain that is the rejection world of publishing. In a word, the manuscripts piling up at the publishers really are submitted by the stupid people.

Although writing is generally there to create something for someone else to read, hopefully to enjoy, writing should be like knitting and other hobbies, i.e. a pastime that is personally satisfying to do. There is no reason for someone to read what you have written, in fact you might prefer writing to paper in an open ended way to explore thinking that you might not be able to explore in conversation.

Even though the dialogue is between yourself and the page a little bit of 'rubber duck debugging' goes on. You might find that after writing reams and reams of stuff you have actually sorted ideas in your mind to distil the ramblings into something that can be succinctly summarised into an idea that others can enjoy. The book really might not be needed. If the distillation of ideas has been arrived at before getting to the 'final chapter' then even finishing the work in progress might not be needed and the whole lot can be put in the bin. In some ways word processor crashes of unsaved work can be helpful with this.

We are doing pretty good with video and still images with people being able to do these things for sheer creative enjoyment. Youtube and Instagram are good platforms for people to do video blogs or photo diaries. The feedback works well, some people are happy to do this as a creative hobby. You can do videos about fixing your hamster wheel and not feel compelled that you have to be making the next Hollywood blockbuster mega series. You can post pictures of your hamster doing tricks without feeling you have to be the next Ansel Adams.

The legacy of the publishing industry and the state of current always-monetizing blogging platforms has cut a relatively rough deal for writers who just enjoy the creative fun of writing. Unless you want to restrict your output to mere tweets there is this expectation that you have to be the next J K Rowling. There isn't a happy medium where people can enjoy a modest level of writing and enjoy a modest and socially acceptable reward through likes for doing so. Maybe it is time to move on, to not brush people off with 'you have a book inside you' and to start telling people they have a 'youtube channel inside them'.

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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>I put it like this: I have been running since I was about a year old. Almost 40 years! But I cannot for the life of me run a marathon. I am not physically capable of it, even though I can run a few miles in a row. Yes, you are. You just tell yourself that you are not. And yes, you can write a book. Whether it gets published or not is another story. I don't understand why someone whose job it is to find the next best…

Agreed. I could run a marathon if I put in the effort. The reason I "can't" is truthfully that I can't be arsed . If you want to run a marathon what you're saying is that you're happy for training for that marathon to take over your life for, probably, about a year, and I'm not motivated to do that. With that being said Eddie Izzard, with little training, ran 43 marathons in 51 days. He didn't break any records or wi…

If you need to be "arsed" to write a book and you can't be "arsed" to write a book, then, logically, you can't write a book.

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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The overwhelming majority of people are capable of running a marathon distance, even if at a slow pace. Not perhaps today, but by working up to it in a very achievable way. Similarly, the overwhelming majority can produce a book length manuscript, even if it isn't particularly remarkable. Again, they may need to work up to it. In this, near-perfect verbal SAT is pretty much irrelevant.

But I mean a good marathon time, and getting a book accepted by a publisher, in which there is an advance and royalties (not self-publishing). If by publishing you mean Amazon, then yeah, anyone can do that. Even robots can. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-kindle-spam/spam-c...

"But I mean a good marathon time, and getting a book accepted by a publisher, in which there is an advance and royalties (not self-publishing)."

That's too low a bar. If you don't make the New York Times list, you're not really writing a book, and if you're not winning the Boston marathon, you're not marathoning.

Or so some would say.

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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post #51
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider it from an engineering perspective: Problem: I write some code, but it doesn't work very well. Solution: Write a lot of code every day for a few years. The implication is that you learn what kinds of things are good and bad through practical experience, rather than simply re-writing the same implementation/prose every day.

But in the case of the commenter I was responding to, they had already gathered a lot of experience through work. This isn't a matter of learning (as they "know" what they have to do), but apparently the solution simply requires such expenditure of time, even for someone who is a professional writer.

Sort of. I have done a lot of nonfiction writing and reporting, including stuff for newspapers and magazines and so on. So I know the general ability to write at a reasonably high level is there. So I know a book is "in me" in a general sense.

But to write a book would still require a lot of practice and trial and error and a serious committment. Which is likely where many others trip up as well.

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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>I put it like this: I have been running since I was about a year old. Almost 40 years! But I cannot for the life of me run a marathon. I am not physically capable of it, even though I can run a few miles in a row. Yes, you are. You just tell yourself that you are not. And yes, you can write a book. Whether it gets published or not is another story. I don't understand why someone whose job it is to find the next best…

So then, you agree with the last paragraph of the article?

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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> for many reasons too boring to get into here, and no, it’s not just cheaper to do ebooks, either Guessing he's not counting kindle publishing here, but regardless I'd love to know all the little details of why publishing e-books are so difficult

A print book costs less than $1 to print, $0.5 to handle/ship, and $0.5 to sort/shelve. Books cost around $10, and printing companies aren't growing unboundedly, so the money has to go somewhere. It goes to the process that is shared between print books and e-books.

The weird part about it is that all of the costs that are not per-copy, like editing, don't go down as the number of copies goes up.

The author gets 10-15% of the first copy as well as the billionth copy. (Modulo the "advance", which is actually what most authors are payed for their book.)

In other words, JK Rowling's editor made bank.

Re: Everyone does not, in fact, have a book in them

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The author seems to be be ignoring the fact that talent is immeasurable. There's no metric by which we can truly define it. There's no way to know who "has a book in them" except by looking at who has already written books. It's ridiculous to pay attention to the self-defeating naysayers. If you have a strong enough desire to produce a book, then you've got a book "in you", and there's little sense in letting anyone tell you otherwise.

I've experienced similar conditions learning to code and write software. Some elitists have beliefs along the lines of, "if you don't already know how / if you didn't learn at a young age, then you're not a true talent, and programming is not really for you." Those kinds of people can get fucked.

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