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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I don’t remember the official name for it, but one common technique to overcome all sorts of fears is to progressively visualize the experience. For your flying example, that might mean to sit and think about just packing for a trip. How does that make you feel? Then think about driving to the airport. How does that feel? Then think about boarding the airplane. Then think about flying calmly. Finally, think about rea…

Yes, CBT is probably the best therapy for this kind of thing - in fact, phobia of flying is THE case study (very much their version of the todo-app :) ).

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#152

Personally, when I fear things (like every time I fly) I have this very simple mechanic for dealing with it: welcome what's coming. In the case of flying, I accept that these could very well be the last moments of my life and it's too late to get off/turn back now and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit there and spend my final moments suffering and wincing in fear. I relax my body, take a deep breath and try to suck…

I have found the same mindset to be comforting for me on planes. I am able to let go of control, because to be honest, I wouldn't be able to stop the plane from crashing even if there was a real danger. Better not to worry about something I have no chance of controlling.

I have the same philosophy. This is what let me get past my fear of flying. However, I now have a lifelong fear of driving, for the same reason.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#153
Take a flying lesson. For most, fear of flying is a lack of control issue, and taking control of a plane helps it greatly. You can get an introductory lesson at almost any small airport for around $100.

I learned to fly from a lady who took her first lesson that way, on the recommendation of a therapist. She ended up an aerobatic instructor!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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post #98

United used to have a feature called "From the Flight Deck" where you could listen to live radio communications between your pilots and air traffic control. Unfortunately, it's now only available on a few routes and planes: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/... I found it very comforting to listen to it during an entire flight, because you could find out what the pilots of your flight were a…

Off Topic.

Listen to the ATC feature (channel 9) on United planes was possibly used by the Sept 11 hijackers.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#155
post #84

If you can stomach it, take some flying lessons. You'll be less scared of processes you understand. Start with a bunch of ground school, so you understand how the aircraft works, meteorology and the effort that goes into aircraft maintenance. Then, take a discover flight on a small aircraft and discover the love of aviation!

Can you take like a one off intro to flying and fly a plane? Or is it more involved then that?

One advice though is to schedule the first discovery flight closer to sunset when the air is usually very calm and there is no turbulence.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#156
This may not work but could be worth a shot and lots of fun. Buy a RC airplane and learn to fly it, nothing crazy but not something to cheap either ($200 from a Chinese site). This should give you a much bigger appreciation for flying (it did for me) and make you very excited the next time you are flying.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you compare accidents by mile or by hour air travel is still much safer than driving. It is true that to drive 12,000 miles would take 12,000 hours while you can do that in 20 hours in a plane. That said you are also more than 50,000x as likely to die in a car accident. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety

> When you compare accidents by mile or by hour air travel is still much safer than driving. Can you provide a citation for the per hour stat? > It is true that to drive 12,000 miles would take 12,000 hours... Uh, what? No one drives 1mph. It's just 200 hours at 60mph. > That said you are also more than 50,000x as likely to die in a car accident. Based on what stat? The wiki page said that per mile traveled it's 750x…

Can you provide a citation for the per hour stat?

I didn't do the math before, but let's try some back of envelope math. You can estimate it based on mileage. Assuming that a car averages 50mph and a jet averages 500mph, then you spend 10x as long in a car as you do in a jet per mile flown. So if you are 750x more likely to die per mile in a car than in a plane, then you are 75x more likely to die per hour in a car than in a plane.

Uh, what? No one drives 1mph. It's just 200 hours at 60mph.

Yeah I accidentally pasted the 12000 where the 200 was supposed to go

Or the fact that people probably drive 1000x more than they fly

This is actually an interesting question. It would be very difficult to compare because there is a population that drives extensively and perhaps never flies (e.g. taxi, delivery, truck drivers), and a population that flies extensively and never drives (e.g. Wall Street banker, flight attendant, student traveler). As an example, I drive about 14k miles a year and fly about 20k (round trip to the Philippines is 14k alone and I do that every year). I can see most of the population never flying at all, in which case they drive infinitely more than they fly?

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#158

I also had a fear of flying, one that lasted 3 years. It came on because of 3 terrible flights in a row. It was bad to the point where I could not even think about stepping on a plane. I ended up missing weddings and job opportunities because the fear of flying was so intense. I now fly regularly, and without issue. It took a long time, but I've found a few things that worked for me: 1. No caffeine on a flight day. T…

> A lot of my anxiety came from paying attention to the sound of engines. Was something odd happening? Keeping the sound of the engine drowned out helped keep my mind off the mechanics of the airplane. I went of my first flight recently, that was the bit that really stood out to me - a little before landing the engines sounded like they powered down to nothing. I had an (internal) freak out, while I watched everyone…

This should actually be reassuring to you, if anything! Planes can maintain altitude, fly long distances, and land safely even in the event of both engines failing or blowing up. Also, when you hear them power down near landing time, they're still actually running and providing power, but are no longer providing thrust.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#159
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any recommendation for a flight sim? Always been interested, I think we owned a copy of the MS flight sim back in the 90s, never played as an adult.

The civilian flight sim market is a bit thin these days unfortunately. X-Plane is quite good and gets a lot of developer support. It also runs on Linux! Flight Simulator X is more than a decade old but it's still decent and has an unbelievably large third party library of aircraft, scenery, and other add-ons. The Lockheed Martin developed Prepar3d is an attempt to update the FSX code base and by all accounts is quite…

Prepar3d has really come a long way, and IMO is the best of the bunch these days. Starting with v4 it's even a proper multi-threaded 64bit application which solves a _lot_ of issues (Run ALL the addons...)

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#160

I regularly fly on intercontinental lines over the Atlantic. Sometimes a strong turbulence happens while we are somewhere in the middle over the ocean. I usually afraid there's no emergency airport thousands of miles around us literally.

There's Iceland, the Azores, Ascension Island and a few others.
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