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In Brazil, it is considered rude to be on time to a party

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Re: In Brazil, it is considered rude to be on time to a party

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Post by johnchristopher »

jessaustin wrote: post #171
johnchristopher wrote: post #167

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No, it's a cultural thing among 20-35. In the same vein you now have to set up really complex birthday parties: renting a room or a cafe, setting up a theme (80's fashion, cinema, etc.) and have a band or a DJ. Starts at 20:00, people coming in around 23:00.

If the party started at 22:00, would everyone arrive at 1:00? If not, this may indicate when people like to party more than how late people like to be.

Good question, I can't answer. The 22:00 party are supposed to be a different kind from the 20:00 party. Also, anecdata.

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Post by hermitdev »

Izkata wrote: post #224
zaarn wrote: post #176

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That was quite an entertaining post. My grandma used to say that the difference between a Swiss and a German is that if we'd forget to cut the lawn, the neighbor would be annoyed after a week. In Switzerland they'd call the Police on day 2. Trains are also late in Germany. A lot. I blame DB. They come up with the silliest excuses too, like that one time were they claimed that the track bed had caught fire. I would ha…

> They come up with the silliest excuses too, like that one time were they claimed that the track bed had caught fire. I would have believed it if it wasn't -10°C in the dead winter while it snowed like crazy. Here in Chicago, the tracks are intentionally lit on fire in the winter (so they don't develop an ice sheet, I think). Maybe the same thing, but whoever explained it was unfamiliar with the practice?

The tracks are lit on fire only in areas where they don't have the right of way to install heaters. It's not to keep the tracks from icing up - it's to prevent the switches from freezing up. Rode the UPW Metra line for about 12 years.

Re: In Brazil, it is considered rude to be on time to a party

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Post by jwilk »

mikorym wrote: post #165

Similarly to Feynman's quote on the hole dug in the road, in South Africa, it is also common to simply leave a construction site. However, the comment that I want to make relates more to how South Africans are often late and why the reasons are different to Brazillians. In South African English there exists a word "now now". This was adopted from Afrikaans, which is largely based on Dutch. The existence of this word…

> Feynman's quote on the hole dug in the road

What's the quote?

Re: In Brazil, it is considered rude to be on time to a party

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Post by acchow »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #26
acchow wrote: post #8

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If there's 20 people going to a party, does anyone think the "start time" is really when you're supposed to be there? I think of it more as "don't come before this time".

Depends on the culture. Historically if you told a German 5:00, that meant 5:00 - nor 4:59, not 5:01. "Fashionably late" is an American thing.

"Fashionably Late" is really reserved for high school and college and people who never grew out of that mindset.

The majority of America just doesn't care about appearance in this way.

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Post by nine_k »

coldtea wrote: post #344
nine_k wrote: post #252

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If a product finds some customers (maybe ultimately unsatisfied, or disappointed, or gaslighted customers), there must be a need that the product is filling. It's only filling it poorly. Finding such toxic-but-still-used product is a good opportunity to both make a living and improve life in general. I suppose the hardest part is to detect and understand the real need being filled. Certainly enough, education, and ot…

> If a product finds some customers (maybe ultimately unsatisfied, or disappointed, or gaslighted customers), there must be a need that the product is filling. Well, I'm a believer in an objective world in which not all needs are equal. I can accept that which need is important or not can be difficult to ascertain. But I also hold that in many, if not most, cases, it's very easy. Despite the cult of the individual an…

If you think about the list of "irrelevant non-needs" from e.g. 15th-century Europe (your choice of country), or from any sufficiently different contemporary culture (consider China or Saudi Arabia), maybe your idea of "objective" needs will... expand a little bit.

If for some reason you prefer today's Western culture to that of 15th century, be certain that it changed mainly because of some people pursuing their irrelevant non-needs, as seen by then-contemporary "normal people".

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Post by windows_tips »

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #308
baxtr wrote: post #104

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I think the larger question, which has haunted me for a long time, is: how do you change culture on mass scale? Singapore is an example where brute force top-down was used. Maybe that’s the only way?

Ask the Russians, they've been illustrating it's pretty easy in the US for years now.

In what way? Organizing protests?

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Post by mastermachetier »

gota wrote: post #43
dakial1 wrote: post #7

That's not overall in Brazil. I live in Sao Paulo and it's certainly not rude to arrive on time or closer to that time. The time is usually a reference of "arrive after that time" and people will arrive in the hour or two after the time set. Usually closer friends will arrive earlier and not so close friends will arrive late because the party will be already full.

I have no idea where the author got the generalization that this is a rule "everywhere in Brazil". It's at most more or less a custom in Rio , and no other places that I know of. In southern Brazil not arriving within half hour of the appointes time is in fact disrespectful Besides this is only for social appointments . Try to arrive a couple hours late for a meeting and you'll find yourself talking to your boss aboi…

I am from Minas and typically people are 15-45 minutes late to things. Mostly social events though. It’s not considered rude though because that is the expectation when these kinds of events

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Post by OldSchoolJohnny »

windows_tips wrote: post #366
OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #308

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Ask the Russians, they've been illustrating it's pretty easy in the US for years now.

In what way? Organizing protests?

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/5paqh5/putins_...

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Post by tchaffee »

mlevental wrote: post #360
tchaffee wrote: post #215

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The article itself was anecdotal so refuting it only required an opposing anecdote. While I appreciate an actual study, I'd have to see something specific to São Paulo for it to be interesting or useful to me. I'm not going to come to any conclusions about a specific city based on a study so broad. Also, the article summary you cited says nothing about punctuallity. It talks about pace of life. Where can I see the fu…

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/43117638_The_Pace_o...

Thank you for the link. The study includes Rio, but not São Paulo, Brazil. I'm not sure why they would skip the largest city in the world that is both in a developing country and a warmer climate, but without including it, it's certainly not a very comprehensive study is it?

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Post by windows_tips »

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #368
windows_tips wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way? Organizing protests?

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/5paqh5/putins_...

Supposed Russian "bots" were tweeting at Merkel parody accounts?
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