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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I had a fear of flying, which I overcame completely by accident: I started playing a realistic flight sim for a while. Because it was realistic, I had to learn the basics of how to actually fly a plane. It taught me two things: what some of the noises, the vibrations, and the movements were; and how hard it is to actually crash a plane. Once you made it in the air, you'll want to try crashing your plane in the game (…

I had a similar experience. I used to get somewhat anxious about flying because I'd had a bad experience in a Cessna 152 when I was a teenager. I overcame that in my late 20s by playing a lot of MS Flight Simulator, and then actually going out and getting my pilot's license.

My first demo flight in a real plane, the flight instructor told me to do the takeoff. My hand was literally shaking as I advanced the throttle (this was in a Piper Cherokee). I don't think I even got us to full power, but it was enough for us to take off. Then we just buzzed around the Santa Cruz mountains (in the Silicon Valley) and I was pretty hooked after that. I don't even get fazed by big jolts on turbulence any more.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I also had a fear of flying, one that lasted 3 years. It came on because of 3 terrible flights in a row. It was bad to the point where I could not even think about stepping on a plane. I ended up missing weddings and job opportunities because the fear of flying was so intense. I now fly regularly, and without issue. It took a long time, but I've found a few things that worked for me: 1. No caffeine on a flight day. T…

Substituting the caffeine with some alcohol before and during the flight works wonders for me.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I’ve struggled with this for years and missed important events as a result.

I went to the doctor and got a small prescription of anxiety medication and it helped me tremendously. I take a small dose once I get in my seat on the plane.

It doesn’t make me drowsy or feel very different but the extreme levels of terror that I felt before don’t affect me now. I still have to be calm and rational as I’m preparing for my flight but the fear is completely manageable now.

I’ve even taken flights without any medication since and feel so much more at peace. I would have never believed that would be possible before medication.

Your mileage may vary but it has given me my ability (and desire!) to travel back.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I have the same fear of the moments preceding. My anxiety goes through the roof when I think about the environment I am in at 35,000 feet. I keep my mind occupied by mentally removing myself from the environment. I fire up my laptop with headphones and work as if I am in the office. This works for a portion of the flight. Sadly, for the remainder, I typically dose myself with something to put me under until someone taps my shoulder to put my seat up for landing (the worst part). FML

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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First of all my sympathy and thanks for your honesty. There are some very good tips from others here but if numbers mean anything to you (and I really appreciate that they might not in this case) then here are some:

- In the US: In April 18th this year a passenger was killed on a Southwest Airlines 1380. This was the first fatality on major US airlines for 16 years (since American 587). In that period those US airlines carried 10bn passengers on 146m flights without fatality. In that period there were 645,000 road deaths in the US.

- World wide: If you took 2 flights every day statistically it would be about 10,000 years before you were involved in a fatal aircraft accident. You would have ~65% chance of surviving that accident. I note that in the last five years 12 commercial aircraft were totally destroyed with no fatalities or serious injuries.

It might be worth dropping your question into a professional pilots forum, here is one that I believe would respond positively:

https://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf-self-loading-freight-6...

FWIW I have felt fear in an aircraft, and a very good friend of mine was killed on a commercial flight (but not an accident). I still fly (nervously) so it can be done! Anxiousness about flying is far more widespread than most admit to so you are in good company.

Sources: Various including the annual Boeing statsum of aircraft accidents 1959-2016.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I had a fear of flying, which I overcame completely by accident: I started playing a realistic flight sim for a while. Because it was realistic, I had to learn the basics of how to actually fly a plane. It taught me two things: what some of the noises, the vibrations, and the movements were; and how hard it is to actually crash a plane. Once you made it in the air, you'll want to try crashing your plane in the game (…

We're building a VR simulation of flying specifically for the purpose of overcoming fear of flying. It uses some of the same principles you mention:

-Repeated exposure to a realistic flying experience (in our case, it goes gradually since it's designed for people with a fear)

-Specifically learning about some of the different noises planes make

-Getting exposure to the vibrations, noises, turbulence, etc that you'll encounter on a real flight

And on top of that, we teach various techniques for overcoming the fear, give new logical/rational approaches to reinforce how safe flying is, understanding the underlying anxieties and emotions involved in fear of flying, etc.

But we don't teach you how to fly! That would be a very neat addition.

The company is called Fearless. I put up a little Fearless for Flying survey here for anyone interested: https://goo.gl/forms/11dINvQlgSnvOaQE2

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are kind of statistical lies. Flying on commercial airlines is very safe but almost everyone abuses the stats to tell a false story. 1. Per hour vs per mile is a completely different stat. Every hour in a plane is possibly more dangerous than every hour driven by a cautious driver. Of course it's true that you can cover far more ground in a 500mph plane. 2. Most Americans drive a lot more than they fly so even…

When you compare accidents by mile or by hour air travel is still much safer than driving. It is true that to drive 12,000 miles would take 12,000 hours while you can do that in 20 hours in a plane. That said you are also more than 50,000x as likely to die in a car accident. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety

> When you compare accidents by mile or by hour air travel is still much safer than driving.

Can you provide a citation for the per hour stat?

> It is true that to drive 12,000 miles would take 12,000 hours...

Uh, what? No one drives 1mph. It's just 200 hours at 60mph.

> That said you are also more than 50,000x as likely to die in a car accident.

Based on what stat? The wiki page said that per mile traveled it's 750x times higher. But this still doesn't address the per hour safety. Or the fact that people probably drive 1000x more than they fly or whatever the number is.

It also doesn't address the main point which is that many fatal accidents involve drunk driving, etc. So your individual risk factor might be incredibly different from the average. Unlike with flying where you have almost no control over your own safety and the average is very meaningful.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Same thing. I flew around the world dozens of times and my fear developed gradually over time. In the same way yours did, by experiencing some scary incidents. I don't have a cure for myself so I obviously don't have one for you, but here are some ideas: 1. Look at how many flights work out well https://flightaware.com/live/ there's something like a million people in the air at any given time. It's extremely unlikely…

> 1. Look at how many flights work out well https://flightaware.com/live/ there's something like a million people in the air at any given time. It's extremely unlikely that your plane will be the unlucky one. Take a screenshot and keep it on your phone.

Can that work against a fearful mind though? Look at all of these planes flying safely! Statistically, in a strange way, the chances of a crash are only increasing in light of all of those safe flights I'm watching on Flight Aware.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I had a similar experience and delivered a similar fear. I wasn't afraid of being dead, I was afraid of dying and the emotional pain that would occur as the plane falls from the sky (or whatever). Like you, I knew rationally how unfounded this is. I've been getting more comfortable with flying by accident since my bad flight experience.

Two things, the first being rationalization, the second being more immediate:

1. I read that a plane has never crashed from turbulence. If somehow this is not true HN audience, please don't inform me otherwise. A crash every X million miles or flights isn't that concrete for some reason, but "never" makes me less scared some turbulence is going to knock the wings off. Along the same vein, I think the last US commercial passenger crash was in 2009. That's more concrete than the statistics. Nine years since the last crash. Pretty good.

2. I got a prescription for some benzodiazapenes for flying. I was stuck in some kind of feedback loop, where I was initially kind of scared of flying, there'd be some minor turbulence, which would make me freak out, which would be unpleasant and give me additional anxiety about flying. White-knuckling a flight for however many hours is unpleasant enough to fear itself. Also, my primary fear was the same of yours, I was afraid of feeling afraid as I was dying. Taking the benzo made me think, "if I'm drugged maybe the descent won't be so bad," which helped acutely, and over time it made me have more tolerable flight experiences. After flying three or four times without a fear in the world I forgot my benzos and found that my fear of flying now still exists, but can be rationalized away much better than before. Unless you fly multiple times a week, drugging yourself through the experience isn't generally a bad idea. Flying sucks so much even without fear that it's kind of a preferable way to go anyway.

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