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Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Really interesting, but I thought this was a bit weak:

> Alexander the Great dressed in robes, some “of crimson, some of purple, some of murrey, and some of orange colour velvet.” The translator is confident that “murrey” will be identifiable—it is a reddish purple, the color of mulberries—but he needs to add the noun “colour” after “orange” for its meaning to be clear.

I would read that as a list of things, each of which is a colour of velvet.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Indian marxist? No wonder you belong and advocate views of Hindu nationalist party of India, BJP. Pathetic diss. Two Points regarding the article:- 1. Author says agriculture first started in Sri Lanka, and then uses that to say India was the country where agriculture started. Completely ignoring the fact that Sri Lanka is not in India. 2. Author says, "India cannot now be ruled out as the home of the grape, in which…

17.5kya lanka was part of the indian landmass according to the article due to sea level differences rest of your nit picking i will ignore since you seem to have accepted and not disputed the main claim of lankan agri well before the fertile crescent

>17.5kya lanka was part of the indian landmass according to the article due to sea level differences

Any other independent source for it?

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Other interesting rebracketing/juncture loss: an napron => an apron a nauger => an auger a nadder => an adder And there's probably a bunch more for future centuries [1]. [1] https://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

One of my favorite cases of reanalysis gone amok is: [(xocalia + a'tl) => chocola-tl => chocolate => choco-] + [(al-kuhl => alcohol) + (-ique => -ic) => -holic] => chocoholic which, having contributions from Nahuatl, Arabic, and Latin results in a word with morphemes originating in 3 distinct language families . On the topic of article rebracketing, I also love "an eke-name" (an extra name) becoming "a nickname".

In Italian we have the Latin word "luscinia" (nightingale) that became "usignolo". -olo is just a suffix that means small, the interesting part is that at some point people started confusing the initial L for the article l'.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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R N Iyengar http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hin... https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar personally dont care about peer review status since we know the reasons westerners reject this information has nothing to do with science but self interest but you might be interested to know it was first proposed by a european named jacobi before europeans got the desire to be aryan leading to…

I will wait for an article published in a journal which at least has an Impact Factor. Cannot even find impact factor for the journal you linked to. And your central theme is invalidating western views while proving Indian supremacy, I will not lend any credence to your views and assertions.

impact factor science is why the west will decline and fall

and actual science will head back east to india and maybe china if they can get their act together

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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In arabic the both the noun and adjectives for "orange" roughly transliterates to "bortuqal": برتقالي What's the word for "Portugal" in arabic? "bortughal" (that is also not a good transliteration) برتغال Arabic is my favorite.

In Turkish, orange is called „Portakal“. Reason is, this fruit was introduced to Ottoman soil by Portuguese sailors. Probably Turkish people heard the name first from North African Arabs living in Ottoman Empire, and they started to use this word.

Kind of the same concept as in Swedish with ”apelsin” for orange (the fruit). apel + sin = Apple from China.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Other interesting rebracketing/juncture loss: an napron => an apron a nauger => an auger a nadder => an adder And there's probably a bunch more for future centuries [1]. [1] https://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

Anyone here have any idea how it came about that the element called Tungsten in english, is called Wolfram in swedish? Tungsten is obviously from swedish, as "tung" means "heavy" and "sten" means "rock"? (and Tungsten is indeed an extremely heavy metal). Wolfram, OTOH looks very much like an english word. Is it common for two languages to swap words like this?

It was named by a german chemist, it is volfram in swedish. Check out the german wikipediaentry and try sending it through translate.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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> The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil. The "even older Dravidian [language]" referred to in the article is not exactly Tamil. The oldest written evidence we have for Old Tamil[1] dates to the 3rd century BC[2]. But we're told that this word is in Sanskrit's vocabulary, which was already developed well before then. (Some people date the Vedas to the 15th century BC.) That means it probably didn't come from T…

only westerners date vedas to 15 century BC to prop up the fantasy of europeans being aryans and support the aryan invasion theory indians date it quite securely via astronomical observations in the texts of dhruva the pole star to 3000 BC or 5kya dhruva was thuban or alpha draconis of draco or the indian constellation sisumara whale dolphin there were no pole stars from about 2300 BC to 1500 AD but the knowledge of…

Fantasy? Then how come genetics is now starting to confirm steppe ancestry in Indians?

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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only westerners date vedas to 15 century BC to prop up the fantasy of europeans being aryans and support the aryan invasion theory indians date it quite securely via astronomical observations in the texts of dhruva the pole star to 3000 BC or 5kya dhruva was thuban or alpha draconis of draco or the indian constellation sisumara whale dolphin there were no pole stars from about 2300 BC to 1500 AD but the knowledge of…

Fantasy? Then how come genetics is now starting to confirm steppe ancestry in Indians?

the recent harvard preprint only had evidence for steppe women settling with indus men

this was not noted in the paper itself but only on twitter

you can imagine the ridiculousness of claims that women drove out dravidians and then installed a patriarchy

i hope they do publish cause it would mark the low point of western science future historians can point to as the beginning of the fall

in any case they have no evidence of steppe languages only inferences and we have strong evidence of sanskrit in india 3000 BC well before the fake aryan invasion claims of 1500 BC

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Other interesting rebracketing/juncture loss: an napron => an apron a nauger => an auger a nadder => an adder And there's probably a bunch more for future centuries [1]. [1] https://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

One of my favorite cases of reanalysis gone amok is: [(xocalia + a'tl) => chocola-tl => chocolate => choco-] + [(al-kuhl => alcohol) + (-ique => -ic) => -holic] => chocoholic which, having contributions from Nahuatl, Arabic, and Latin results in a word with morphemes originating in 3 distinct language families . On the topic of article rebracketing, I also love "an eke-name" (an extra name) becoming "a nickname".

> an eke-name

I'm not buying this. "eke" as "also" may give the sense "by-name", alright. What irks me is the lack of explanation of the rebracketing, which would appear like a mistake. But "nick of time" and the like would make a reanalysis as "short name" plausible, so not a mistake but a funny play of words.

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