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Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Interesting that English was lacking this word for so long. Swedish has the word "brandgul" ("fire-yellow") which predates the English word orange by a couple of decades and is still in use. Which I guess in Swedish just makes it a variant of yellow instead of it's "own" color.

The word "orange" is also used for the color, but not for the fruit (which is "apelsin")

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Doesn’t it seem plausible that “orange” rather comes from Latin aurantium based on the root aurum for gold? (Gold can appear orange-colored.)

Yes, the transition from narange to orange may come from the French “or” (gold). More here: https://www.etymonline.com/word/orange

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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"possibly derived from an even older Dravidian (another ancient language spoken in what is now southern India) root, naru, meaning fragrant. " The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil. The fruit in the citrus family is called Narthangai. The unripe fruit makes a sour delicious pickle. It's such a joy to hear a Tamil word used everyday around the globe.

the word for rice also comes from tamil arici and not from the chinese mi unexpectedly even the japanese use a form of the tamil word coupled with the chinese word uruchi mai leading to theories of dravidian japanese linkages or atleast contact and trade but the debate of whether the tamil word itself comes from sanskrit vrihi is not settled there is the possibility of agriculture spreading to north india from south…

Why are linking to a site that is known to spread falsehoods?

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the word for rice also comes from tamil arici and not from the chinese mi unexpectedly even the japanese use a form of the tamil word coupled with the chinese word uruchi mai leading to theories of dravidian japanese linkages or atleast contact and trade but the debate of whether the tamil word itself comes from sanskrit vrihi is not settled there is the possibility of agriculture spreading to north india from south…

Why are linking to a site that is known to spread falsehoods?

yes the site is anathema to indian marxists

please argue on merits of the content of the article

if you think there is something false please point to the specifics

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil. The "even older Dravidian [language]" referred to in the article is not exactly Tamil. The oldest written evidence we have for Old Tamil[1] dates to the 3rd century BC[2]. But we're told that this word is in Sanskrit's vocabulary, which was already developed well before then. (Some people date the Vedas to the 15th century BC.) That means it probably didn't come from T…

only westerners date vedas to 15 century BC to prop up the fantasy of europeans being aryans and support the aryan invasion theory indians date it quite securely via astronomical observations in the texts of dhruva the pole star to 3000 BC or 5kya dhruva was thuban or alpha draconis of draco or the indian constellation sisumara whale dolphin there were no pole stars from about 2300 BC to 1500 AD but the knowledge of…

Are you using that absolutely non-credible David Frawley’s non peer reviewed assertions regarding the astronomical dating of Vedas?

Please post a credible source for whole of your post.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

only westerners date vedas to 15 century BC to prop up the fantasy of europeans being aryans and support the aryan invasion theory indians date it quite securely via astronomical observations in the texts of dhruva the pole star to 3000 BC or 5kya dhruva was thuban or alpha draconis of draco or the indian constellation sisumara whale dolphin there were no pole stars from about 2300 BC to 1500 AD but the knowledge of…

Are you using that absolutely non-credible David Frawley’s non peer reviewed assertions regarding the astronomical dating of Vedas? Please post a credible source for whole of your post.

R N Iyengar

http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hin...

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar

personally dont care about peer review status since we know the reasons westerners reject this information has nothing to do with science but self interest

but you might be interested to know it was first proposed by a european named jacobi before europeans got the desire to be aryan leading to the world war and destruction

video lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2lXuUMdoo

another person same conclusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW4iLBgxg8

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Other interesting rebracketing/juncture loss: an napron => an apron a nauger => an auger a nadder => an adder And there's probably a bunch more for future centuries [1]. [1] https://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

Anyone here have any idea how it came about that the element called Tungsten in english, is called Wolfram in swedish? Tungsten is obviously from swedish, as "tung" means "heavy" and "sten" means "rock"? (and Tungsten is indeed an extremely heavy metal). Wolfram, OTOH looks very much like an english word. Is it common for two languages to swap words like this?

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are linking to a site that is known to spread falsehoods?

yes the site is anathema to indian marxists please argue on merits of the content of the article if you think there is something false please point to the specifics

Indian marxist? No wonder you belong and advocate views of Hindu nationalist party of India, BJP. Pathetic diss.

Two Points regarding the article:- 1. Author says agriculture first started in Sri Lanka, and then uses that to say India was the country where agriculture started. Completely ignoring the fact that Sri Lanka is not in India.

2. Author says, "India cannot now be ruled out as the home of the grape, in which case, we would have a Neolithic-era spread of a crop from India to the FC and beyond."

His whole assertion is this paper [A], where all the paper authors say is that grape could have been present in India before the presently accepted timeline, they don't say anything about India being home of the grape or even if grape spread out from India. IndiaFacts did quite a reach there just for proving supremacy of India.

So yeah again, a better site for your ignorant BS. It is better to not bring your level of discourse to this site.

[A] - http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_097_04_...

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes the site is anathema to indian marxists please argue on merits of the content of the article if you think there is something false please point to the specifics

Indian marxist? No wonder you belong and advocate views of Hindu nationalist party of India, BJP. Pathetic diss. Two Points regarding the article:- 1. Author says agriculture first started in Sri Lanka, and then uses that to say India was the country where agriculture started. Completely ignoring the fact that Sri Lanka is not in India. 2. Author says, "India cannot now be ruled out as the home of the grape, in which…

17.5kya lanka was part of the indian landmass according to the article due to sea level differences

rest of your nit picking i will ignore since you seem to have accepted and not disputed the main claim of lankan agri well before the fertile crescent

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using that absolutely non-credible David Frawley’s non peer reviewed assertions regarding the astronomical dating of Vedas? Please post a credible source for whole of your post.

R N Iyengar http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hin... https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar personally dont care about peer review status since we know the reasons westerners reject this information has nothing to do with science but self interest but you might be interested to know it was first proposed by a european named jacobi before europeans got the desire to be aryan leading to…

I will wait for an article published in a journal which at least has an Impact Factor. Cannot even find impact factor for the journal you linked to. And your central theme is invalidating western views while proving Indian supremacy, I will not lend any credence to your views and assertions.
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