Would be interesting to see Discord make an entry into the space. They're killing it on the gaming side already.
Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
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Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's wrong with the electron app?
I personally don't have a problem with it, but a lot of people have a problem with it taking up a bit of system resources, primarily ram.
You can reduce this a huge amount by simply using it in a tab in a browser. When I'm travelling I use it this way, as it eats much less battery - I just pin a tab.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Weren't both Slack's and Atlassian's offerings cloud-based?
No. Hipchat had an on-prem option. In fact, I'm kind of stunned to see that the blog post on Slack's website doesn't mention the on-prem version at all. Given that on-prem was one of the differentiators that Hipchat had against Slack (and one of the reasons that many companies stuck with Hipchat, even though Slack had more features), the lack of discussion around the on-prem version seems like a huge mistake.
Hmm mentioning it would probably be a bigger mistake. If they say anything they'll have detractors and proponents, by staying silent it allows them to prep & bleed off users who MUST have onprem.
All in all I would guess that slack will probably retain more than 80% of users, which is pretty good.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#94They changed the headline to "Slack Is Buying HipChat" from "Slack and Atlassian Team Up to Take on Microsoft in Chat Software". The latter still survives in the URL.
The "team up" makes it sound ridiculous, like some sort of cabal is being formed -- the team up here is like when I team up with a cheeseburger to take on hunger.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would you recommend instead of Jira?
What is the problem you're trying to solve?
An opinionated workflow of collecting from a development team and its customers potential future efforts, estimates of the cost and value of those efforts, prioritizing based on those estimates (maximize expected value, minimize expected cost), scheduling & forecasting efforts based on a sound statistical model (e.g. estimation error).
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#96This reminds me of Aaron Levie’s recent take on Kara Swisher’s podcast - on how enterprise software is going to be either about Microsoft (jack of trades) or about a collection of smaller companies (specialists in their fields) integrated with one and other. Slack and Atlassian focusing on what makes them great and working together makes a lot of sense
Levie is wrong. His personal bias is showing: an over optimism that Box can survive as an independent long-term. It's going to be Microsoft and other giants. There's no scenario where Slack remains an independent company, for the exact same reason there was never a scenario where Github remained an independent company. It'll be surprising if Slack is still independent three years from now.
It's perpetual consolidation in enterprise, nothing has changed about that in decades. Microsoft eats Github. Atlassian eats Slack (or some other company does). Maybe Atlassian is the next Oracle, or maybe Oracle or Salesforce or SAP or Microsoft eats Atlassian.
The one thing every scenario has in common: the little fish don't stick around and cooperate, they all get eaten and merged into ever larger companies. Nothing can stop that process, all the little fish have shareholders more than willing to sell when the big price comes in from the giants.
PeopleSoft, Siebel, Sun, MySQL, Great Plains, Sybase, Business Objects, Ariba, SuccessFactors, Concur, RightNow, Taleo, MuleSoft, Demandware, ExactTarget, etc etc
It's the same thing going on over and over again. The little fish never stick around. Box will end up in someone's stomach just the same as the rest.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#97Hipchat took standard IRC, and added some interface fluff, youtube links, and emojis. They achieved great market footprint. Then Slack starts up later - makes literally the same exact product, and manages to surpass, and eventually subsume Hipchat. Crazy.
> Crazy.
Indeed so, if judging in a reference frame of gross oversimplifications and dismissing importance of details.
I hate Slack, the client, the cloud lock-in. But I think they and those in between of golden IRC times and them did refine team chatting experience.
Speaking of my own experience: it's now easier to follow discussions and way easier to form more complex messages (mostly thanks to markdown) that convey your point. Just some things of the top of my head.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#98Well, thanks to this today I learned that Microsoft had a product called Teams. I didn't see anybody using it but I saw plenty of people using Slack. Maybe is Team addressed to big companies? My customers are all medium or small. Does anyone here have some experience using Teams? Is it really in competition with Slack?
The huge advance of Teams is that you get it in a package if you buy Office365. Otherwise it is a chat app similar to Slack with less ready made integrations.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#99Interesting. I worked at a healthcare tech startup last year and the reason why we had to use Hipchat is because the self-hosted Hipchat Server was HIPAA-compliant and Slack does not have a HIPAA-compliant self-hosted option. Have no idea what they're going to do (or anyone who needs to comply with stricter regulatory guidelines that prevents use of cloud-based messaging apps).
They seem to be HIPAA compliant now. (No self-hosting yet)
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#100Seems like a move to take on Microsoft Teams. This is something that these independent software vendors will need to do in order to take on Microsoft: integrate and enable a best of breed world. Its not really a great experience if I buy Slack, Okta, Box/Dropbox, GSuite if I don't have a seamless and integrated and experience throughout. The only way is to build a integrated ecosystem and enable these horizontal use-cases.