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Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
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Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#62I've never really gotten into any of Atlasssian's products. It seems like they make tools for managers with bolt on functionality for engineers (which may be why I never caught onto their products). I hope this is good news for Slack, but as a software engineer today, Atlasssian's products are not the first ones I would recommend in any category.
Jira was great, ~15 years ago. It was a tool that actually helped development, especially with the GreenHopper plugin
Now almost the entirety of its functionality is to help various middle managers track things that are important to them, while continuously making development slower. Manager 1 wants to track Metric A? Add a drop down. Manager 2 wants to track Metric B? Add a new form to fill out. And tie them all together with workflows so that you can't do your work and mark it as complete until all the boxes are checked and fields are filled.
Those that haven't experienced this probably just haven't worked in a medium or large corporation.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#63> "and are providing a migration path to Slack for all our customers." Well, not all of your customers. Unless Slack is introducing a self-hosted version? They've already nuked the page on the self-hosted hipchat offering, which now redirects to https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack Which is a complete bummer. Slack isn't an option for us.
I haven't looked at them in a while but I believe Mattermost is still offering self-hosted options and I believe they still market themselves as a slack alternative.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#64What options are left for self-hosted chat systems with comparable features? We've been using self-hosted Hipchat at our company and there is zero chance we will ever use a cloud solution.
People I respect¹ seem to like Zulip (https://zulipchat.com/), though I haven't used it myself.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#65> Taking out a competitor is good for Slack, said Butterfield: “There’s fewer choices for people.” Strange quote.
Yeah, a rare glimpse into how these execs actually think. I'm suprised the pr people let this through their filters.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#66Well, thanks to this today I learned that Microsoft had a product called Teams. I didn't see anybody using it but I saw plenty of people using Slack. Maybe is Team addressed to big companies? My customers are all medium or small.
Does anyone here have some experience using Teams? Is it really in competition with Slack?
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#67I'm really hopeless about chat applications. So many apps and platforms, so little inter operability.
All that users need, most of the time, is a web app and a smartphone app for private messages.
Channels and voice are special cases. Voice is hard to achieve, and channels are usually covered by private servers.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#68It's really easy, the first one to support multiple chat windows will win. That and ctrl+enter to send message.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#69I've never really gotten into any of Atlasssian's products. It seems like they make tools for managers with bolt on functionality for engineers (which may be why I never caught onto their products). I hope this is good news for Slack, but as a software engineer today, Atlasssian's products are not the first ones I would recommend in any category.
Amen to that! Both as a user and a developer in the atlassian ecosystem, the experience is like you're 2 decades behind simple basic features with astronomical implementation effort. "Enterprise" has never gotten a negative connotation within atlassian walls it seems.
Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian
#70I've never really gotten into any of Atlasssian's products. It seems like they make tools for managers with bolt on functionality for engineers (which may be why I never caught onto their products). I hope this is good news for Slack, but as a software engineer today, Atlasssian's products are not the first ones I would recommend in any category.
I run the Atlassian stack for my company, so here's some thoughts on this:
- Jira is pretty bog-standard these days, huge installed base. It's a bit weird to administer, and not as powerful in many ways as I'd like (especially compared to a more flexible system like ServiceNow). However, it's entrenched and a lot of people like it.
- Confluence is a top tier wiki. I actually find it very nice to work with, both from an editing, organizing, and also an API standpoint. It's much nicer than MediaWiki or Sharepoint for this purpose, and though it's not ideal for collaboration on MS documents, it's still very solid for working on shared documentation.
- Bamboo is a decent build system. It's lagging behind Jenkins in terms of integrations and support for source-controlled declarative build stuff, but for teams that like to point and click it works well, and the support for parallel builds, branch builds, etc. is all much easier than it is in Jenkins.
- Bitbucket is a reasonable choice for on-prem Git hosting. I prefer GHE, but if you have the rest of the Atlassian apps, there are some integrations that are nice, and it's not terribly expensive, so if you have ops familiar with running Atlassian apps it may be a good choice for you.
That's about it. Not something I love, but definitely not something I hate. Their support is also quite good, and guided me through a painful upgrade of a stack that my predecessors had left neglected for five years with no patching. Can't complain about that!