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Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by gbenzzz »

Faark wrote: post #204
satysin wrote: post #166

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I find Louis hard to watch if I am honest. Yes I know Apple don't make the best products but let's be honest they are not actually that bad. I know he doesn't like Apple, he hates all the soldered components making things hard to impossible to repair, etc. He loves his ThinkPad's which is cool (I love them also) but I just got bored of his constant Apple hating.

> his constant Apple hating I guess that's normal for someone fixing Apple stuff as his day job and thus always only seeing apples bad side. Especially with seemingly Apple not wanting such repairs to happen.

And the whole Apple threatening to take down his YouTube channel thing.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by x2f10 »

dpkonofa wrote: post #240
x2f10 wrote: post #150

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You have to be kidding. What you're referring to is a branding tactic. It has nothing to do with some subconscious direction on how to use the device. It's not only reasonable, but expected, that customers will use the device in their laps... no matter what the naming convention. Come on.

Not kidding at all. The entire industry made a huge hard stop and turn on the terminology around 2001/2001 after Dell was sued because a man claimed that his "laptop" burned his thighs/penis when the CPU/battery heated up and the fans didn't turn on. The courts ruled that "laptop" implied that the machine was safe to use in that manner and the guy was awarded damages. After that, it became exclusively "notebook" or "…

>I haven't really put any thought into it recently but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any manufacturer referring to their machines as "laptops" now.

Oh, really? Let's see.

Dell: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sc/laptops

HP: https://store.hp.com/us/en/cat/laptops

ASUS: https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/

Lenovo: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/c/LAPTOPS

Toshiba: http://laptops.toshiba.com/computers-tablets/home/

Acer: https://us-store.acer.com/laptops

Samsung: https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/windows-laptops/

I will stop there, because it's obvious that 'the entire industry' did not make a 'huge hard stop and turn on the terminology'. Stop being a fool.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by flying_sheep »

rasz wrote: post #162
flying_sheep wrote: post #131

I doubt if this patch will decrease the lifespan of MacBook. Because for silicon chips, 10 degree Celsius rise in operating temperature will roughly decrease life span by half. If Apple relax the temperature constraint by 20 degree Celsius (e.g. from 50 degree to 70 degree), it is expected that the lifespan of some component will decrease by 75%.

Except macbooks almost never see 50, and rarely 70 degrees, its 80-100 all day when actually using cpu.

Oh my god. That number is unimaginable. Even if my full power desktop i7 can't reach this number. Chips will die very quickly in this temperature. I think Apple is having a real trouble.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by rasz »

dharma1 wrote: post #201

works ok for me after the update. Cinebench 1020 and CPU clock speed stays at 3ghz under load. Ran it several times and it's the same each time. 99fps for the GPU in cb opengl test, though that drops a couple of fps each time you run the test. Temps still high, up to 95% during cb but I guess that's expected with this type of laptop body under extreme load and can be somewhat mitigated with external fans. I was going…

so still slower than older 2.6GHz i7

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by exikyut »

dimillian wrote: post #220
mirimir wrote: post #211

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From what I've read, it's stable at ~92°C.[0] That seems damn high to me, but then I'm most familiar with desktops and servers, where you can cool far more aggressively. So is long term ~92°C hard on CPUs? 0) https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-macbook-pro-speed-throttling...

My old MacBook Pro I had for more than 5 years is 90% of the time around 100C. Whenever I'm working or playing. It's still working good.

Wow, I've just found https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore/comments/4917wn/ano... but in a different context

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by dang »

bobwaycott wrote: post #138
reaperducer wrote: post #106

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When did MacBooks became famous for "bad solder joints"? Have you noticed how low the bar is for "famous" these days? Whether it's some FaceTube "star" or tech "scandal" du jour, everything is massive these days and everyone on the planet is affected. Somehow, there are no small issues anymore.

Hey, now. Don't go robbing the masses of their Two Minutes Hate.

Please don't do this here.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by bobwaycott »

dang wrote: post #246
bobwaycott wrote: post #138

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Hey, now. Don't go robbing the masses of their Two Minutes Hate.

Please don't do this here.

Wow. I'm pretty sure this is the first time in 8 years I've commented anything that's been flagged. I'm not entirely sure what "this" is.

Is it saying "don't go robbing the masses"? Is it agreeing with the parent's comment by means of a literary reference that I thought was an approachable and analogous representation of the phenomenon the parent was describing? Seems whoever flagged this read it in a wildly different way than I intended it. Would it not be "this" if I had worded the same point differently--e.g., "You know, you're right, parent. These events totally remind me of 1984's Two Minutes Hate."?

Genuinely curious what "this" is that I shouldn't do, dang, because I've spent 8 years intentionally avoiding doing it.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by dpkonofa »

x2f10 wrote: post #242
dpkonofa wrote: post #240

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Not kidding at all. The entire industry made a huge hard stop and turn on the terminology around 2001/2001 after Dell was sued because a man claimed that his "laptop" burned his thighs/penis when the CPU/battery heated up and the fans didn't turn on. The courts ruled that "laptop" implied that the machine was safe to use in that manner and the guy was awarded damages. After that, it became exclusively "notebook" or "…

>I haven't really put any thought into it recently but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any manufacturer referring to their machines as "laptops" now. Oh, really? Let's see. Dell: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sc/laptops HP: https://store.hp.com/us/en/cat/laptops ASUS: https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ Lenovo: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/c/LAPTOPS Toshiba: http://laptops.toshiba.com/comput…

I'm not being a fool. The lawsuit must have worked out in their favor or they appealed. I worked for 2 separate computer manufacturers during that time where we were explicitly told not to refer to any of the portable computers as "laptop" computers in any of our outgoing communications or marketing. I had associates at other manufacturers that were told the same thing.

If that's not the case anymore, then that's just because I haven't bothered to keep up with the industry as I no longer work in comms for PC manufacturers. As I said, I haven't put any thought into it recently. I'm neither being a fool nor am I lying, as you seem to be implying. Times change and I prefaced my statement to admit that the info might be outdated.

I can't even believe you put all that effort into collecting those links. That literally does not change the fact that there was an industry-wide aversion to using the term "laptop".

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by dang »

bobwaycott wrote: post #247
dang wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do this here.

Wow. I'm pretty sure this is the first time in 8 years I've commented anything that's been flagged. I'm not entirely sure what "this" is. Is it saying "don't go robbing the masses"? Is it agreeing with the parent's comment by means of a literary reference that I thought was an approachable and analogous representation of the phenomenon the parent was describing? Seems whoever flagged this read it in a wildly differen…

It's simple: the comment was unsubstantive and snarky. Bad combo, especially on flame-prone topics. We're looking for thoughtful comments here, as you know.

The issue isn't just the quality of a comment in its own right—it's the quality of what it leads to. These things compound.

Thanks for being a fine HN commenter and user!

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