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Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by atomical »

mdomans wrote: post #59
atomical wrote: post #58

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Where have you seen that in the literature?

Honestly, I have to dig through. The thing is those things are often underreported. I worked with a TRT clinic for a while, people on Clomid for fertility reasons were miserable (as in "kill me now") so that's my bias.

The TRT clinic I went to was a clear scam. When he realized my T was too high he tried to sell me on growth hormone peptides for $300 a month and B12 injections. Lots of pseudoscience. Also, he was a chiropractor. Not surprising since chiropractors aren't real doctors.

Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by oceanghost »

mdomans wrote: post #55
oceanghost wrote: post #49

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I just turned 40 a few days ago, and after a bad divorce decided to pull my body out of the shitter again. Dealing with a divorce on tren+pose+t is, awful. But the results are hard to argue with. I go to the gym 6 days a week, I lift all the things I'm supposed to, and the weight comes off, and the muscles grow. I've lost a shirt size in 8 weeks; my biceps don't fit in my shirts anymore. In 6 months I'll be unrecogni…

If I may chime in: trenbolone and boldenone will hit your psyche hard. Here's a short on pro bodybuilders. Most of them know jack shit about endocrine system. I'm sorry, but I work in this business. I've seen pros with IFBB pro card having their "pupils" on 100iu insulin daily. It's pure stupid. And I don't blame your doc because adrenal insufficiency is moot, there's a ton of good evidence on that. I've also seen on…

You may, and thank you for the reply. You are correct about this. I'm 6 weeks in with tren and near major depression. I'm going to try falling back to T as you've suggested.

However, I have NEVER run tren more than 8 weeks, and maybe half a dozen cycles in my life. It is just too powerful.

Again, thank you.

Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by oceanghost »

mdomans wrote: post #56
oceanghost wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A comma would have made that sentence much better, my apologies. The clinical data on long-term weight loss is miserable. The fact is that almost everyone gains weight back (as high as 95% of patients after 5 years), and something like 60% gain more weight back than they started. I went on to speculate that most people who are obese have an underlying condition.

They usually have underlying psychological condition which they fail to address. Note that all the "regain" studies were done in cohorts that had either severe problems or lacked proper professional assistance (which these days you can get online for 100USD). The fact that you can loose weight is simple physics. The fact that these people often have endocrine issues is near tautology because adipose tissue HAS endocr…

For me, it was celiac disease.

Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by mdomans »

oceanghost wrote: post #63
mdomans wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They usually have underlying psychological condition which they fail to address. Note that all the "regain" studies were done in cohorts that had either severe problems or lacked proper professional assistance (which these days you can get online for 100USD). The fact that you can loose weight is simple physics. The fact that these people often have endocrine issues is near tautology because adipose tissue HAS endocr…

For me, it was celiac disease.

It happens. There are multiple others possible problems, but I'd say that it's 20% other and 80% diet

Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by mdomans »

atomical wrote: post #61
mdomans wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I have to dig through. The thing is those things are often underreported. I worked with a TRT clinic for a while, people on Clomid for fertility reasons were miserable (as in "kill me now") so that's my bias.

The TRT clinic I went to was a clear scam. When he realized my T was too high he tried to sell me on growth hormone peptides for $300 a month and B12 injections. Lots of pseudoscience. Also, he was a chiropractor. Not surprising since chiropractors aren't real doctors.

Yeah, a lot of TRT clinics are scam, especially if they employ chiropractors or naturopaths - DO STAY AWAY. Fact that those professions are allowed to give medical advice in some countries/states is actually an emerging problem because the school giving out certificates to these people have a much lower quality of education which can be fatal. People with "degrees" from schools such as Bastyr are know to advocate against vaccination and other sane science while peddling "natural" solutions.

Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by mdomans »

oceanghost wrote: post #62
mdomans wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I may chime in: trenbolone and boldenone will hit your psyche hard. Here's a short on pro bodybuilders. Most of them know jack shit about endocrine system. I'm sorry, but I work in this business. I've seen pros with IFBB pro card having their "pupils" on 100iu insulin daily. It's pure stupid. And I don't blame your doc because adrenal insufficiency is moot, there's a ton of good evidence on that. I've also seen on…

You may, and thank you for the reply. You are correct about this. I'm 6 weeks in with tren and near major depression. I'm going to try falling back to T as you've suggested. However, I have NEVER run tren more than 8 weeks, and maybe half a dozen cycles in my life. It is just too powerful. Again, thank you.

If I may, and this is a delicate topic but I often suggest talking to a psychiatrist who specialises in depression or a clinical psychologist. I know antidepressants (and visiting a psych is still a stigma somewhere, it shouldn't be) have a very bad reputation (in part because prescribing rules were relaxed and tons of people live on SSRIs for years) but profesionall help is priceless.

I've met men with really scary problems they weren't even able to talk about and I mean tough guys who look like Ron Swansons tough uncle. I recently talked to a guy owning a biz in construction AND being a first responder. Testosterone helps because it has antidepresive effect but the issue may be more complicated - it's good to be able to talk to someone.

Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by oceanghost »

mdomans wrote: post #66
oceanghost wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may, and thank you for the reply. You are correct about this. I'm 6 weeks in with tren and near major depression. I'm going to try falling back to T as you've suggested. However, I have NEVER run tren more than 8 weeks, and maybe half a dozen cycles in my life. It is just too powerful. Again, thank you.

If I may, and this is a delicate topic but I often suggest talking to a psychiatrist who specialises in depression or a clinical psychologist. I know antidepressants (and visiting a psych is still a stigma somewhere, it shouldn't be) have a very bad reputation (in part because prescribing rules were relaxed and tons of people live on SSRIs for years) but profesionall help is priceless. I've met men with really scary…

I've been mulling over a response to this for a few days. I appreciate the advice and recognize it as true. I am ok, however. When I said I had major depression, I meant, I recognized the feeling of it having been diagnosed with it in the past. I have in the past sought help and am aware of the difference between depression caused by hormones, drugs, situational depression, etc. I have always found that clean living-- exercise, sleep, and in my case staying away from wheat and other allergens, almost always alleviate the problem in a few days.

Again, Thanks.

Re: The Masculine Mystique of T

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Post by mdomans »

oceanghost wrote: post #67
mdomans wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I may, and this is a delicate topic but I often suggest talking to a psychiatrist who specialises in depression or a clinical psychologist. I know antidepressants (and visiting a psych is still a stigma somewhere, it shouldn't be) have a very bad reputation (in part because prescribing rules were relaxed and tons of people live on SSRIs for years) but profesionall help is priceless. I've met men with really scary…

I've been mulling over a response to this for a few days. I appreciate the advice and recognize it as true. I am ok, however. When I said I had major depression, I meant, I recognized the feeling of it having been diagnosed with it in the past. I have in the past sought help and am aware of the difference between depression caused by hormones, drugs, situational depression, etc. I have always found that clean living-…

Cool, happy you have your stuff together :)
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