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Post by archagon »

anothergoogler wrote: post #3

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I am utterly baffled by how much attention this is getting. This should barely qualify as news. I guess people really love their meat, or something.

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Post by lstodd »

dabbledash wrote: post #16
paulie_a wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is delicious.

Yes. That’s the real answer. In developed countries, most of us kill animals only for pleasure. And because we want to do that as cheaply as possible, the conditions those animals spend their lives in are pretty bad.

It's not like plants spend their lives in conditions that are any much better.

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Post by detuur »

archagon wrote: post #51
anothergoogler wrote: post #3

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I am utterly baffled by how much attention this is getting. This should barely qualify as news. I guess people really love their meat, or something.

Or, consider this, people really don't like companies imposing personal values.

Would you approve of a company denying you certain benefits for having children out of wedlock?

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Post by lucideer »

that_guy1 wrote: post #36
lucideer wrote: post #32

There exists companies that don't subsidize employee meals. If he proposed to simply stop subsidizing food completely, this would be a non-story. There are other publications calling this a "ban" on meat; nothing is being banned. The hyperbolic reaction here is pretty shocking. Seems the idea of vegans being the "holier than thou" ones is a severe case of projection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,... .

I'm not sure what applicability this link has here? It seems unrelated. What am I missing?

(genuine question, no tongues in cheeks, I don't see the connection)

Edit: Upon further thought, I think maybe you're agreeing with me and saying that Burwell vs Hobby Lobby gives precedent to WeWork being entitled to do this? Legally, maybe, but it seems specially concerned with religious affiliation, which vegatarianism isn't, so I don't think it would apply. It also presumes you agree with the Burwell vs Hobby Lobby decision; some people might not.

It's a fair comparison, but I don't think it holds water. I just think what WeWork is doing is fine because employees aren't morally entitled to free food from their employer.

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Post by archagon »

detuur wrote: post #53
archagon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am utterly baffled by how much attention this is getting. This should barely qualify as news. I guess people really love their meat, or something.

Or, consider this, people really don't like companies imposing personal values. Would you approve of a company denying you certain benefits for having children out of wedlock?

Companies impose their values on everything under the sun, all the freakin’ time. I similarly don’t care when companies encourage their employees to exercise, or stop offering free soda.

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Post by drivingmenuts »

archagon wrote: post #51
anothergoogler wrote: post #3

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I am utterly baffled by how much attention this is getting. This should barely qualify as news. I guess people really love their meat, or something.

In my experience, most meat-eaters don't care if you're vegetarian. If you're vegetarian, it's "Oh, that's nice. Next item on the agenda?"

However, by creating a place that is definitely vegetarian, it opens up the potential for hostility toward meat-eaters, which is worrisome.

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Post by lucideer »

peter_vukovic wrote: post #48

I find this fascinating on many levels, and it will be interesting to see how things develop. One one hand, you could say this move violates basic human rights to decide what to eat and how to nourish themselves. For example, it is well known that protein and fat-rich diets are beneficial to patients suffering from diabetes, epilepsy and many other ailments, and many people have seen huge improvements in overall heal…

> this move violates basic human rights to decide what to eat and how to nourish themselves

WeWork isn't preventing people eating meat. They're just opting not to give people free meat.

it will be hard and costly to enforce this rule

Presuming WeWork currently have some way of recording their spending on food for employees, I can't see how this will be much more work to enforce?

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Post by lucideer »

zakk wrote: post #45

> said the decision was driven largely by concerns for the environment This has a potential for starting a lifestyle inquisition. The single worst thing one can do for the environment is to have a child. Does WeWork plan to fire you should you decide to reproduce? Also, what about people having vacation overseas, when exploring the local whereabouts can be as exciting without all the CO2 emissions?

> Does WeWork plan to fire you should you decide to reproduce?

They don't plan to fire anyone for eating meat so I don't see the relevance of the question.

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Post by drivingmenuts »

tantivy wrote: post #8
MrLeftHand wrote: post #2

I love how vegans and vegetarians have this 'holier then thou' attitude. Not like we don't need still a lot of land to grow our crops, but whatever. What will be his next move? Bans using electricity? Orders every employee to live in a cave? I hope he will write the holy book of Wework with 10, 20, maybe a 100 commandments. I am excited to see the exodus from Wework. Maybe that can be a chapter in that holy book.

Raising livestock means using cropland to grow feed. It's hugely less efficient than growing plants for human consumption using the same resources. If you eat meat, have you ever asked yourself why?

> If you eat meat, have you ever asked yourself why?

That is exactly the kind of question that is not your concern if we work together. It's potentially intrusive in an area of my life that does not affect the job by causing danger or a hazard in the working environment. You sure as hell don't want to be asking that of a subordinate, due to the power imbalance.

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Post by lucideer »

fab13n wrote: post #35

I've read, but can't find the figures sustaining it, that vegetarian diets are more efficient per acre, but less efficient per gallon of water. The kind of fruits and vegetables humans eat consume lots of water, whereas the food for cellulose-eating cattle demands much less, to the point where a calorie worth of meat would use less water than a calorie worth of human-feeding greens. If anyone could find back-of-the-e…

> The kind of fruits and vegetables humans eat consume lots of water, whereas the food for cellulose-eating cattle demands much less

I guess this could theoretically be true somewhere, but in the US—one of the biggest consumers of meat—cattle are fed corn, which is one of the most water-consuming things to grow. 60% of corn eaten in the US is animal feed.

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