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St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

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Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#31

Does anyone have a feeling for what the GDPR fine would be, if this had taken place in Europe? The number of people affected is fairly small, but this isn't the usual negligence or incompetence. (Ironically, the site is geoblocked for the EU.)

I guess $1000 per case of filming plus his earnings

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#32
post #5

This guy is a veteran?!! What a shame, that someone sworn to protect Americans now cowers behind semantics and loopholes to exploit their trust!! Clearly ridership dropped on notifying them of the streaming, no excuse can hide the truth here - he wants to exploit their trust! For shame! And unlike the proud, honest veterans who actually care for Americans! Edit: any lawyers here? Can this become a federal wiretapping…

I'm not a veteran, but I did take the oath of office. To me, the oath that I swore to uphold is to defend American government institutions (and particularly the agency I worked for) against foreign and domestic enemies. My oath doesn't mean I have any special commitments to individual American citizens acting in an individual capacity.

I think, perhaps, you didn't interpret the oath as was intended...

It's supposed to be to The People through the agency of the Constitution and not pledging allegiance to whomever cuts your paycheck.

Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#33

Does anyone have a feeling for what the GDPR fine would be, if this had taken place in Europe? The number of people affected is fairly small, but this isn't the usual negligence or incompetence. (Ironically, the site is geoblocked for the EU.)

I guess it would really depend if they go after the driver or Uber itself.

Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#34
post #25

Am I the only one who has no problem with this? You're in someone else's car. Of course that person has a right to record you. And freedom of the press is a crucial cornerstone of a democratic state. Of course this person has a right to publish anything they please. This is just journalism paired with a new and novel social and technological configuration. Nothing more. Meanwhile, actual eavesdropping-style surveilla…

It's basic decency to let the people know they are being filmed.

Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#35

Gargac’s videos fit into the newer “IRL,” or “In Real Life,” section that encourages users to stream their life outside of games. Gargac says he’s earned about $3,500 off Twitch users so far, including subscriptions, donations and tips called “bits.” That’s on top of about $150 to $300 he earns from fares on an average night. He typically drives on weekend nights because, he says, the bar crowd makes for the most ent…

No. You cannot rationalize someone's malicious intent to exploit and profit off of trust people place in you by getting into your cab on the gig economy, or anything else. That's a slippery slope where bad actors place blame on non causal issues for their actions

It doesn't have to be either/or between "malicious and greedy" and "poor person desperate to make ends meet." The truth often lies somewhere in between.

Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#36

Ring doorbell cameras record without consent, and can be shared via their neighborhood feature. Uber vehicles, like homes with Ring cameras, are private property. Aside from Uber serving as a middleman between private citizens and private property, what's the difference?

For one thing, doorbell cameras aren't generally streamed to the entire world.

Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#38
post #6

Remind me, why do people favor Uber over a taxi?

Speed and convenience.

People who get snarky about Uber/Facebook/etc. users don't seem to realize that these things have very real utility for millions of people. We don't just use them because we're too stupid to know better. If you want to address their (very real, glaring) problems, you'll need to offer an equally-useful alternative, not just smug moralizing.

Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#39

Gargac’s videos fit into the newer “IRL,” or “In Real Life,” section that encourages users to stream their life outside of games. Gargac says he’s earned about $3,500 off Twitch users so far, including subscriptions, donations and tips called “bits.” That’s on top of about $150 to $300 he earns from fares on an average night. He typically drives on weekend nights because, he says, the bar crowd makes for the most ent…

I am not sure if providing benefits would offset the temptation to earn 3.5k extra income. Case in point, This guy is an army vet so presumably he already has health benefits.

> treating all your citizens

non citizen population need benefits too.

Re: St Louis Uber driver has been streaming his passengers online. Most have no idea

#40
post #25

Am I the only one who has no problem with this? You're in someone else's car. Of course that person has a right to record you. And freedom of the press is a crucial cornerstone of a democratic state. Of course this person has a right to publish anything they please. This is just journalism paired with a new and novel social and technological configuration. Nothing more. Meanwhile, actual eavesdropping-style surveilla…

> Am I the only one who has no problem with this? You're in someone else's car. Of course that person has a right to record you. And freedom of the press is a crucial cornerstone of a democratic state. Of course this person has a right to publish anything they please.

Is there a name for the fallacy that says "anything not actually illegal must therefore be morally correct"?

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