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Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

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Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why not just add springs to the entire shoe?

The plate is the full length of the shoe. Not sure how you're imagining adding springs in a way that is more conducive to running. Keep in mind shoe weight matters quite a bit.

Springs are not always shaped like a car strut... AND Weight isn't important if the energy gained offsets the energy lost carrying the extra load.

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#42
post #33

There's something interesting at play here — clearly, they're selling these shoes to enthusiasts, rather than just targeting elite athletes. While I can see a competitive athlete reaching for whatever legal means they can to try and buy themselves a victory or podium or some other high-profile result that buys them sponsorships, there's just no good reason why amateur runners should care — you don't magically become…

If I was actually using my legs to move places I wanted to be instead of chasing "fitness" I'd be pretty interested in 4% gains in efficiency.

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#43
post #33

There's something interesting at play here — clearly, they're selling these shoes to enthusiasts, rather than just targeting elite athletes. While I can see a competitive athlete reaching for whatever legal means they can to try and buy themselves a victory or podium or some other high-profile result that buys them sponsorships, there's just no good reason why amateur runners should care — you don't magically become…

As one who has watched the golf equipment market for some time, I can tell you that many are willing to spend money for incremental improvement rather than spend time to get better through practice.

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#44
post #6

If these shoes really can provide a measurable improvement in times they probably should be banned. Otherwise it will go the way of swimming, where a bunch of world records got set before they ended up banning those full body suits.

Running sneakers are a relatively new invention. You wouldn't want to run a marathon in whatever the ancient greeks wore.

If this kind of thing is important, the best approach is to narrowly define what athletes can wear. (Shoes, socks, compression sleeves, clothes, ect.)

Then, working within the limits is part of the sport itself.

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#45
post #33

There's something interesting at play here — clearly, they're selling these shoes to enthusiasts, rather than just targeting elite athletes. While I can see a competitive athlete reaching for whatever legal means they can to try and buy themselves a victory or podium or some other high-profile result that buys them sponsorships, there's just no good reason why amateur runners should care — you don't magically become…

This isn't really stated or testing, but one of my biggest issues with running is how much pain I feel on my joints. I actually find it really enjoyable to run through the woods with my dog, but my knees just get mad. If these shoes relieved just a tiny bit of that pain I would find them almost worth it. Not saying one should buy an expensive pair of shoes, but if it was the case, maybe the shoes don't just make you…

I could never understand why so many people run as a sport, when nearly all runners eventually develop joint problems, many requiring knee replacements (which you supposedly can't run on).

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#46
post #33

There's something interesting at play here — clearly, they're selling these shoes to enthusiasts, rather than just targeting elite athletes. While I can see a competitive athlete reaching for whatever legal means they can to try and buy themselves a victory or podium or some other high-profile result that buys them sponsorships, there's just no good reason why amateur runners should care — you don't magically become…

This isn't really stated or testing, but one of my biggest issues with running is how much pain I feel on my joints. I actually find it really enjoyable to run through the woods with my dog, but my knees just get mad. If these shoes relieved just a tiny bit of that pain I would find them almost worth it. Not saying one should buy an expensive pair of shoes, but if it was the case, maybe the shoes don't just make you…

That's a perfectly legitimate concern, and would be a great reason to get something like this if you can afford it — but that's not how they're selling these shoes.

Instead, they're focusing on the athletic performance aspect, to the point that, near as I can tell, they're outright fanning the flames of controversy around the idea that these shoes are unfairly fast.

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#47
post #33

There's something interesting at play here — clearly, they're selling these shoes to enthusiasts, rather than just targeting elite athletes. While I can see a competitive athlete reaching for whatever legal means they can to try and buy themselves a victory or podium or some other high-profile result that buys them sponsorships, there's just no good reason why amateur runners should care — you don't magically become…

This isn't really stated or testing, but one of my biggest issues with running is how much pain I feel on my joints. I actually find it really enjoyable to run through the woods with my dog, but my knees just get mad. If these shoes relieved just a tiny bit of that pain I would find them almost worth it. Not saying one should buy an expensive pair of shoes, but if it was the case, maybe the shoes don't just make you…

Joint damage and pain from running is real, and if it's a concern you have, you might want to look into speaking with a professional in that space.

There are exercises, stretches and techniques you can learn, as well as products you can buy that you aren't going to find at a Foot Locker.

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#48
post #5

>Compared with typical training shoes, the Vaporflys are believed to wear out quickly: Some runners have said they lose their effectiveness after 100 miles or so. This is about two weeks of peak marathon training, although if the shoes are as advantageous as the article claims that's impressive in any case. I suppose one could reserve them for races and train with cheaper shoes.

The idea is that you don't train in them, you save them for the race. (My last marathon training period peaked at a little over 70mpw. Normal trainers last me about 500-600 miles, my lighter shoes (Kinvaras) last 400-500, and my race flats even less than that)

You don't use your race as an occasion to test your running shoes.

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't really stated or testing, but one of my biggest issues with running is how much pain I feel on my joints. I actually find it really enjoyable to run through the woods with my dog, but my knees just get mad. If these shoes relieved just a tiny bit of that pain I would find them almost worth it. Not saying one should buy an expensive pair of shoes, but if it was the case, maybe the shoes don't just make you…

I could never understand why so many people run as a sport, when nearly all runners eventually develop joint problems, many requiring knee replacements (which you supposedly can't run on).

This oft-repeated claim is factually inaccurate. Runners and former runners, as a population, have better knees than non-runners.[0]

[0]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27333572

Re: Nike Says Its $250 Running Shoes Will Make You Run Much Faster

#50
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is that you don't train in them, you save them for the race. (My last marathon training period peaked at a little over 70mpw. Normal trainers last me about 500-600 miles, my lighter shoes (Kinvaras) last 400-500, and my race flats even less than that)

You don't use your race as an occasion to test your running shoes.

With these you do. Maybe do a 3 mile tune-up run to make sure there are not hot spots and it fits well, then you go race in it. Can't spend 50 miles breaking in a shoe with a life of 100 miles.
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