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Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Apple's removal of the Escape key is courageously guiding its users into the superior Caps-lock-as-escape configuration.

I prefer caps lock as control. Although for a while I ran in a hybrid mode where if I hit caps lock and released quickly it was escape. If I held it down and tapped another key it was control.

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Am I the only person on here who is bothered by the specs of the base models? For $2400 you get a 2.2 Ghz machine with a 256 GB ssd and 16 GB of Ram. That was seriously overpriced and it hasn't budged in this new release. Seems like you've got to spend well north of 3K to get a reasonable machine. That is way over the market. The model in the review is fully loaded. Apple will charge you a cool $3200 to upgrade to th…

Yep. I have a $1400 laptop and it's 4k with a 7th gen i7, 512gb ssd and the same 16gb ram. It's also 15" but relatively light. The only thing that bothers me is the single USB port meaning I need to get an extender if I want to use a mouse and anything else but then even that is an improvement over 0.

which laptop is this?

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Tesla? Why would anyone on HN doubt survival of Tesla? Except making impossible claims about delivery deadlines, they weren't mentioned in any especial sins worth mentioning. And Tesla Roadster looked definitely like the big future in 2008.

Probably because they are burning through cash and aren’t profitable yet. They’ve had some close calls with running out of money in the past.

That's fine, why not? Isn't this the whole startup thing? Burn money until you IPO or get acquired? Otherwise it is look down at as 'revenue business'.

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When I want to walk somewhere with my X1 Carbon in my backpack I typically have to open it to check whether I actually packed it. Still has a great keyboard and milspec dust resistant design.

+1, just shame about the bad trackpad. How is that still a thing in 2018 :(

I have no idea, I only ever use the trackpoint! (Yep I'm another one of those guys..)

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Yep. I have a $1400 laptop and it's 4k with a 7th gen i7, 512gb ssd and the same 16gb ram. It's also 15" but relatively light. The only thing that bothers me is the single USB port meaning I need to get an extender if I want to use a mouse and anything else but then even that is an improvement over 0.

which laptop is this?

HP Spectre x360 (2018, 15-inch model)

It's also a beautiful design if you're into that.

I'm not suggesting that it can directly compete with a macbook in terms of graphics or processor but it's only slightly under for less than half the price.

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It's a little misleading to call it "the exact same place as any other keyboard". Here's[0] is my previous MBP. Pressing anywhere on the escape key will trigger a keypress. You don't have to be perfectly centred on it, and even having a finger half-off the left side will work. Does that work for the non-visible bit of the touchbar? And how do you know when you've actually pressed it, if the app doesn't immediately in…

> And how do you know when you've actually pressed it Usually when I press a key I expect the application behavior to noticeably indicate that I've pressed something, regardless of what key I'm pressing. When do you press escape and not get actual behavior change, whether that change is to back out of a vim mode or to dismiss a dialog box?

Various tty applications will wait a short time after an escape to see if it was part of a esc- meta combination.

In emacs esc-esc-esc is something I use relatively often.

It gets even worse over slow ssh to somewhere remote, when visual state updates could take up to several seconds.

On other keyboards I'd assume the tactile click of the key was a press, and could chain up extra inputs. Now I much more often have to pause to check I did in fact trigger the esc at the right point.

The other annoyance is the lack of touch force means even a slight overshoot on the number keys or ¬ will probably also trigger an escape, so I have to keep that it mind. It's much harder to do with a physical key because it takes more than brushing it with a fingertip when using the finger pad to press the targeted key.

Better haptics might make the touchbar a bit less obnoxious (and Better-Touch-Tool can already trigger the trackpad 'click' when a button is touched, but isn't ideal)

If Apple can implement 'force touch' on the trackpad, I suspect it could be possible on the bar as well, so it needs to be "pressed" rather than just "touched".

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In 2014 I bought the top of the line MBP for $2700AUD. To get a top of the line model now it's $4100AUD. As someone who loves macOS, I'm still not gonna buy a new MBP until the price reaches some level of reasonableness. I've been seriously considering of getting a Dell and using Linux instead and I may just do so if there's no budging of the prices in the next 2-3 years.

>> To get a top of the line model now it's $4100AUD. Is that right? The Verge article I saw said a maxed out 2018 MBP was $6700 USD, which should be significantly more than $4100 AUD. Source: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/7/12/17563840/a...

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>> To get a top of the line model now it's $4100AUD. Is that right? The Verge article I saw said a maxed out 2018 MBP was $6700 USD, which should be significantly more than $4100 AUD. Source: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/7/12/17563840/a...

I'm guessing OP meant the top readily available model and not the customised one with everything maxed out.

This is exactly what I meant.

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In 2014 I bought the top of the line MBP for $2700AUD. To get a top of the line model now it's $4100AUD. As someone who loves macOS, I'm still not gonna buy a new MBP until the price reaches some level of reasonableness. I've been seriously considering of getting a Dell and using Linux instead and I may just do so if there's no budging of the prices in the next 2-3 years.

I dumped MBP after 6 years and bought a Dell XPS 9570 15" with max specs. Some slight issues on Fedora, and of course the touchpad isn't anywhere near as good as MBP, but overall very happy. Bonus: Docker _flies_ on Linux compared to MacOS.

Yes, as stupid as it sounds the trackpad is one of the things I love most about the MBP. I wish the XPS had the same reputation as it'd make it an easier sell for me.

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It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News.

> It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News. I’m imagining someone who went into a fallout shelter about 10 years ago, somehow only had HN as a source of news, and suddenly re-entered the world. What would such a person be suprised to learn? I suspect Apple still being a successful company would come as a huge shock to such a person. So…

> So would the success of (...) Docker and Kubernetes and (...) and microservices

It's hard to tell if they're a success. With enough time and money you can make almost everything work. It does not mean that there weren't better alternatives available.

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