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Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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$2,400 for a laptop, unbelievable. I guess it's the equivalent of women paying $1,200 for Manolo Blahnik shoes, or rednecks buying $60,000 pickup trucks, they sure are purty, but they just aren't worth the money, no matter how much you've bought into the hype.

From a 2011 MacBook Pro which cost the same, I consider $343 per year a steal for being the only tool needed to generate my entire income during that time.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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> You can't even plug a USB stick into it. I don't think I've used, or seen anyone else use, a USB stick in about a decade. We can't just keep these legacy ports around forever, cluttering up our devices.

USB dongles are absolutely standard in pro audio. Products made by Steinberg, Avid, and many plug-in shops will not work without a USB dongle. Aside from a few high-end audio interfaces, most music hardware - including licensing dongles - is USB-A. Of course you can buy the inevitable wart-on-a-cable adaptor from Apple. But it's both fragile and ugly, and when you have an iLok with thousands of dollars of software on…

"USB dongles are absolutely standard in pro audio"

Ok. I don't work in pro audio. So that doesn't mean much to me.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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It’s shocking how expensive Macs have gotten. I paid around €2300 for my 2014 15” and today’s equivalent tier is over €3k. For this I get a faster thinner machine without MagSafe and a variety of ports. It seems that the only viable upgrade path is to convince your employer to stump up the cash.

MPBs are expensive enough now I expect if Apple weren't so very protective of their IP we'd see a laptop equivalent of the Shelby / Saleen / AMG treatment done in the automotive world. Someone would rehome the MBP guts in a proper case with all the features Apple's power users really want and sell it at a huge premium.

However Apple being Apple they'd cancel warranties and shower Cease & Desists to anyone who dared to reimagine the MBP rather than allowing a licensed derivative. Too bad.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

#244

The touchbar is such an FU to developers. It still hasn't found any real use. They're not rolling it out to other models. Basically, it's a little fun "experiment" that they've imposed on all their PRO users, thus demonstrating they no longer really care about this user group. Personally, I'm waiting for the next generation of Surface devices to come out, and I'm going to see if I can make WSL work for me.

"The touchbar is such an FU to developers."

No, it's not. Not every developer uses those keys.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #94

For the life of me I don’t understand why most developers who work for a company - and get a company supplied laptop - buy a MacBook or any other laptop for personal use. I don’t do any personal development currently. But when I start back on my personal projects, a 27 inch 5K iMac is much more appealing. You get more for your money, a nicer, bigger display, more ports, faster processors (at least for single core tas…

Because I want to work on my own stuff on the go and your company owns 100% of everything you do on their laptop.

On Topic: I own a late '16 MBP 15" w/ touchbar. My machine has been serviced once to replace some issue with a failure of some motherboard component (not touchbar or keyboard). I'm am early adopter (hardware, software, gadgets, etc.) -- and I have the luxury now to wait many years before I need to upgrade again. YMMV.

Off Topic: (sorry)

I think there's a much larger debate around what it means that a company owns "everything" you do on (not via?) their laptop (and worse, the whole concept of owning all thoughts, etc.).

But, what really IS a computer anymore?

I boot off external SSD (for my OSX use). I do this while at work, home, friends, etc. I carry around an SSD drive that's small and light -- no more hauling laptops.

This usage style seems to break a lot of assumptions of what a computer with things such as licensing (Apple, Microsoft, etc.). Although it can be painful at times (if something requires GUI and the network bandwidth is low or latency is inconsistent), using a machine as a client (ie: GUI or GUI-less) terminal to access a remote (dev) machine is possible -- such as any client (windows, linux, OSX on MacBook Air) and iMac (or whatever) on the LAN. Prior to iOS dev (which requires OSX), I was using (windows) PCs and full screen VMWare to run FreeBSD, etc.

If I use a machine and ssh to a remote server and change something, does the owner of the machine that I used to do the ssh now own the thing I changed on the remote server?

I currently share my desktop via iCloud sync (and I used rsync to do this as far back as '03 or so), and split data between local and cloud -- so for the most part I can access the data I need from anywhere.

Many SaaS (cloud or not) can be accessed and used from anywhere. It's extremely frustrating to have to maintain so many different accounts to separate work from personal.

For me, at least, the "computer" is getting abstracted away and devices are just ways to access tools for doing whatever it is that I want or need to do at the moment.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Since the 2016s were released the USB-C cord is separated from the power brick, so if there's any cord fraying you can just replace the cord w/o replacing the brick.

Too little, too late, IMHO.

So... they have to get everything literally perfect on the first attempt in order for you not to dismiss it?

Do you even own a computer? Is there any company that manages to meet your standards?

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

#247

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He did answer the question, only with reasons that you don't seem to agree with. I also mostly use my MBP plugged in and yet still want my laptop to be as light and thin as possible for when I'm carrying it around during the day/commuting. An extra pound of weight makes a huge difference to me walking home.

> An extra pound of weight makes a huge difference to me walking home. That's hard to believe. Are you walking 50 miles? How would you notice an extra pound? What about the rest of the stuff you carry, your clothes, your shoes? Is everything else already optimized? Why does the (likely) most expensive full-size computing device need to lose weight vs everything else, especially when it's infringing on the actual user…

Not to mention the bag of adapters and hubs you need to function with a computer with just a single USB-C port.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

#248

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Because I go to meetings and work from home sometimes. Only thing I'd use a standard USB for would be charging, which isn't really something I do in meetings, and I have plenty of chargers at home.

You didn't answer the question. It doesn't need to be so dysfunctionally thin and light to travel between work and home sometimes. Nobody is going to suffer from an extra pound of weight.

> Nobody is going to suffer from an extra pound of weight.

I would and did for a long time, and I am very glad for the lightening trend. Try considering for just a moment that there are many people in the world who aren't as ablebodied as you. Small changes can make big differences.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #91

It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News.

Pretty sure they are targeting their best buyers. Lifestyle bloggers and vain people with more disposable than sense. Developers bitch too much and feel like their needs are more important than a Mormon Mommy Pinterest Aficionado. The developer can easily dump Apple without any peer push back. The Lifestyle blogger can't, because it's a status thing.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #118

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I'd go further and say that Apple isn't basing their hardware strategy on the needs of any real person. It's a laptop with only USB-C ports (and the 13-inch only has two of them). You can't even plug a USB stick into it. The only people who asked for a laptop like that are working at Apple.

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