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Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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same goes for smartphones, sadly the market has a tendency to align with 'stupid' goals and so no more production of non-thin devices. I'd be very happy with a thicker phone (larger battery, more shock resilience and even... some buttons)

So get a thin phone and put a battery back case on it?

that's a possibility but I find the idea a bit stupid, I get two parts that will probably won't feel as nice, and probably not sturdy together.

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It’s shocking how expensive Macs have gotten. I paid around €2300 for my 2014 15” and today’s equivalent tier is over €3k. For this I get a faster thinner machine without MagSafe and a variety of ports. It seems that the only viable upgrade path is to convince your employer to stump up the cash.

If this review sample was for keeps, then... lucky guy. The model as specced in the review (maxxed out) costs around £6k. Most of that is the 4TB SSD which adds about £2.5k on top.

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post #118

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It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News.

I'd go further and say that Apple isn't basing their hardware strategy on the needs of any real person. It's a laptop with only USB-C ports (and the 13-inch only has two of them). You can't even plug a USB stick into it. The only people who asked for a laptop like that are working at Apple.

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Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Cons: Keyboard, Touch bar, lack of ports, cost Pro: Great display. Build quality. MacOS It's too bad all the cons except cost are new to the latest generation ( post-2015 ) MBP.

I’ve been using one for six months - in my experience, the keyboard is awesome to the point that I hate going back to my other, older machine. I reckon there’s been a bit of an unfair perpetuation of this idea that it’s particularly bad, though I accept that some other people have different tastes!

Yeah, I'm the same. I really prefer the new keyboards, though there are clear durability problems (possibly now improved) and noise can be a bit louder than desirable (also now improved).

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #118

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It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News.

I'd go further and say that Apple isn't basing their hardware strategy on the needs of any real person. It's a laptop with only USB-C ports (and the 13-inch only has two of them). You can't even plug a USB stick into it. The only people who asked for a laptop like that are working at Apple.

Honestly, I've been working with the USB-C only MBP as my only development machine for a year now, and I haven't once wished it had a classic USB port on it. At my desk it's plugged into monitors which have ports on them. Having a single cable for all my peripherals is quite nice.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Some people value being able to move their computer.

I feel way too constrained doing a lot of work without at least two external monitors. Preferably three. But the real estate of the 5K monitor kind of obviates the need for a second monitor.

Your eyes can only look at one screen at once. I find that a laptop + some key commands to switch between applications and windows of the same application is roughly equivalent to multiple monitors and just leaving everything open.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #91

It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

I love the keyboard, and I code all day.

It's actually my favorite keyboard of any I've used with the exception of the current-gen external Apple keyboards. I enjoy the light-touch and low key travel required to type. I find the typing more pleasant and kinder on my hands.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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For the life of me I don’t understand why most developers who work for a company - and get a company supplied laptop - buy a MacBook or any other laptop for personal use. I don’t do any personal development currently. But when I start back on my personal projects, a 27 inch 5K iMac is much more appealing. You get more for your money, a nicer, bigger display, more ports, faster processors (at least for single core tas…

Interesting. If you play games, I can see the point - otherwise, I'm not sure why you'd buy a desktop for personal use! You're then stuck with it wherever it is, your desk in your spare room or study or whatever. A laptop, on the other hand, you can use wherever you like - and you can still get a reasonable facsimile of a desktop PC by plugging it in to a full-size keyboard/mouse/external monitor(s).

(I've got 2 x 27" monitors plugged into my 13" Macbook Pro. They're 2560x1440, it's true, rather than 5K, but I'm old enough, and sit far away enough, that I don't mind. Hi-DPI is very worthwhile when I'm using my laptop as a laptop, but from a distance of 1m it's much less of a draw.)

Performance isn't as good, but I've always found this an OK tradeoff. I like the portability and the option of using my PC in the front room. As far as performance goes, any development I do for myself, for whatever reasons, tends to be less demanding than stuff I do for money; and for the non-development stuff, mainly (e.g., now) me staring at the internet via Firefox, it's just not an issue.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #91

It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

Unfortunately for us, Apple bases its decisions on expected sales numbers more than our feelings. That said, does anyone know if the sales numbers are stronger after these mean keyboard and touchbar (and dongly) redesigns?

Sales numbers lag behind consumer satisfaction.

Meaning people may still buy this MBP but decide that their next computer won't be a Mac, this means the "lost sale" could be four or five years into the future.

Plus there's the magnifying effect of "influences." Are technical people still going to recommend to their less technical family members a Mac?

My point isn't "Apple is doomed!" rather, any company, has to look beyond yesterday's sales numbers to broadcast tomorrow's sales. Hopefully Apple has the data to know if these changes do more good than harm.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News.

I'd go further and say that Apple isn't basing their hardware strategy on the needs of any real person. It's a laptop with only USB-C ports (and the 13-inch only has two of them). You can't even plug a USB stick into it. The only people who asked for a laptop like that are working at Apple.

> I'd go further and say that Apple isn't basing their hardware strategy on the needs of any real person.

Real person here! I love the USB-C only approach. I love being able to charge from either side of my laptop, and I love having single cable to plug in at my desk for RAID/monitor/ethernet/charging/etc. I want my laptop minimal; if I want it to do more, I can add more.

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