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Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News.

developers are not the only ones that use the keyboards on their computers.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Can you really not comprehend that people can spend $2300 on a computer, or are you just being facetious?

I'd happily spend $2300 on a computer- but not a macbook. $2300 will get you far more power and quality.

A Mac is a computer, whether you like it or not.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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This is simply "anecdata". I too touch type, and simply remapped escape to caps lock, the same as the last 15 years, and moved on. I have had a touch bar since late 2016, and have not missed function keys a single time, while I have several uses for the touch bar. I would be annoyed if the touch bar were removed, or the trackpad made smaller, or the keyboard made spongier, or any of the other things that people on he…

Your reply to "anecdata" is.... your personal anecdata? That's fascinating. Anyway I am glad you personally don't mind changing long standardized keyboarding habits by using software modifications to make up for befuddling product decisions. I think that's wonderful, and I am thrilled that works for you and a handful of other people that have a background with ADM-3A terminals, though you should really remap the 'tab…

Indeed. It shows how useless anecdata is for determining whether a product is useful to a broad section of people.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Macs have never been cheap. There was a period where the Air (at Let’s go back in time to when the choices were the $1799 12” PowerBook, $2199 15” PowerBook, or the $1299 iBook

I remember looking through some numbers and realizing that my father paid somewhere around $6000 for our IIci in 1989.

That’s well over $10k in today-dollars.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

#125
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Because I want to work on my own stuff on the go and your company owns 100% of everything you do on their laptop.

I’m not suggesting using a company laptop for personal projects. But with an IDE up, a web browser for development, a shell, etc. working on just a laptop monitor is painful. I can’t imagine developing an iPad app on a 15 inch laptop.

I dunno, I'm comfortable working on a laptop screen - I usually do so for work, even though I also have a work iMac 5k as well. Would it be nice to have more windows side by side for diffing and such, sure, but it's probably only a minor decrease in productivity.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #40

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This is simply "anecdata". I too touch type, and simply remapped escape to caps lock, the same as the last 15 years, and moved on. I have had a touch bar since late 2016, and have not missed function keys a single time, while I have several uses for the touch bar. I would be annoyed if the touch bar were removed, or the trackpad made smaller, or the keyboard made spongier, or any of the other things that people on he…

Can you describe what value the touchbar adds in your usual workflow?

Yes, for dev work, IntelliJ integrates with it (now), iTerm has for a long time.

Aside from dev work, as a scrubbing tool for video and audio, it is invaluable.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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It’s shocking how expensive Macs have gotten. I paid around €2300 for my 2014 15” and today’s equivalent tier is over €3k. For this I get a faster thinner machine without MagSafe and a variety of ports. It seems that the only viable upgrade path is to convince your employer to stump up the cash.

I had a Toshiba with a 233 MHz Pentium that cost me $2000. It wasn't hard to spec a laptop to $3000 back then.

Macs are expensive relative to some other products, but they are pretty cheap for what you get.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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post #40

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This is simply "anecdata". I too touch type, and simply remapped escape to caps lock, the same as the last 15 years, and moved on. I have had a touch bar since late 2016, and have not missed function keys a single time, while I have several uses for the touch bar. I would be annoyed if the touch bar were removed, or the trackpad made smaller, or the keyboard made spongier, or any of the other things that people on he…

>> I too touch type, and simply remapped escape to caps lock So what about the function keys?

I don’t really need them. Everything I use for text input at length has vi bindings, and a couple of tweaks to the IntelliJ default Mac bindings mean that I don’t miss them at all. And if I do need one for some reason, they are a single button press away.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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It's almost as if Apple aren't even basing their hardware strategy on what developers are complaining about on Hacker News.

I'd go further and say that Apple isn't basing their hardware strategy on the needs of any real person. It's a laptop with only USB-C ports (and the 13-inch only has two of them). You can't even plug a USB stick into it. The only people who asked for a laptop like that are working at Apple.

> You can't even plug a USB stick into it.

You can via an adapter[1] or hub. FWIW, even today this is fairly rare (once so far this year for me) since Dropbox tends to be the new "USB stick".

[1] https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13507

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