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Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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This is simply "anecdata". I too touch type, and simply remapped escape to caps lock, the same as the last 15 years, and moved on. I have had a touch bar since late 2016, and have not missed function keys a single time, while I have several uses for the touch bar. I would be annoyed if the touch bar were removed, or the trackpad made smaller, or the keyboard made spongier, or any of the other things that people on he…

Can you describe what value the touchbar adds in your usual workflow?

I'm a developer and prosumer who types by touch. I have operational macros triggered by FN keys and somewhat miss the hard FN keys on my 2017 MacBook Pro.

I've set the System Preferences so pressing the fn key causes the Touch Bar to show soft FN keys. I use the soft ESC key frequently and without problem; aiming for the left corner of the Touch Bar almost always works and very rarely transforms into something other than ESC (In fact, I can't remember under what conditions it turns into something other than ESC, though I'm sure it does.)

So, one would think that as a touch typist who uses hard FN keys to trigger operational macros, the Touch Bar would be somewhat of an annoyance but for me it's really not.

The Touch Bar changes and reveals and/or offers functionality that isn't offered by any other means.

For example, I frequently Screen Share (VNC) to my home machine that has multiple displays. When doing so, the Touch Bar has buttons to allow me switch between display 1, display 2, or both displays. I've tried and could not figure a reliable way to trigger this functionality with macros or the keyboard, despite having extensive AppleScript knowledge and being very familiar with Keyboard Maestro. The Touch Bar made Screen Sharing much easier to use in a remote context.

Another example, I use Apple's Mail app and for years have used Adam Tow's super useful MsgFiler. When Apple Mail is frontmost, the Touch Bar features a "Move to $Mailbox" button that seems to learn where I file similar messages, and in my observation it is almost always correct.

I also prefer the Touch Bar sliders that reveal when adjusting my screen brightness and the volume controls.

So the Touch Bar does offer a few features which I find useful despite my being a touch typist. I somewhat miss the hard FN keys, but for me losing them is not a deal breaker because I can coerce the Touch Bar to display function keys by pressing the fn key.

So, I'm pretty neutral with regard to the Touch Bar but the keyboard is a different story.

I LOVE the shallow-press keyboard. I generally type with the pads of my fingers rather than the tips, and the shallow key press feels more solid and graceful to me. I've not yet experienced the non-functioning key problem that many others have reported and am somewhat concerned about losing my laptop for a week due to keyboard failure.

EDIT: Fixed three minor grammar problems.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

#102
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For Macs, in my opinion they used to build high quality products, but they're losing their lead. macOS hasn't improved in ways that matter to me in years and some things got worse. The hardware used to be untouchably good, but the new MacBook Pros are worse for me than the original retina MacBook Pro I still use -- performance hasn't improved much (the latest upgrade might have changed that) and keyboard, ports, powe…

> macOS hasn't improved in ways that matter to me in years What ways matter to you?

Consistent UI, simple and fast built-in apps for common tasks, good unix subsystem, fast file system, pretty text rendering, system libraries that make it fairly easy to write good native apps, etc.

macOS has all this, but it had all this for a while. There are so many good things in it. Preview.app is great -- it even lets you do simple PDF editing, while being fast, reliable, and easy to use. CoreGraphics does beautiful drawing, reasonably fast, leading e.g. to gnuplot having pretty antiailased graphs on macOS but not elsewhere (via Aquaterm -- this might be outdated information though, haven't used it in a while). The find pasteboard is clever and convenient, as are document icons -- and dragging them into Terminal even inserts the path to the document. There are so many well-thought-out details on macOS.

I don't care about iCloud integration, sync with iOS, Springboard, tabs in Finder or Maps, Siri, iMessage integration (I don't use an iPhone). The new Photos app doesn't honor mac system conventions. The Mac App Store is repulsive to me in its philosophy, and its implementation has been inept. I miss the HIG. Airpods are cool, but connecting them with my MBP works only haphazardly as you'd expect of regular old Bluetooth headphones, not as you'd expect of Apple hardware talking to Apple hardware.

I could go on for much longer, but I'll stop now :-)

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Some people value being able to move their computer.

I feel way too constrained doing a lot of work without at least two external monitors. Preferably three. But the real estate of the 5K monitor kind of obviates the need for a second monitor.

> I feel way too constrained doing a lot of work without at least two external monitors. Preferably three.

I use my personal computer for things other than work. I don't need 27 inches to read my email or post on Hacker News.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Some people value being able to move their computer.

I feel way too constrained doing a lot of work without at least two external monitors. Preferably three. But the real estate of the 5K monitor kind of obviates the need for a second monitor.

Interestingly enough, I get this same feeling of being constrained while being tethered to a desk. I love the ability to move to the kitchen, or the couch, or outside. I've tried using external monitors before and I'm so used to virtual desktops that I often forget they're even there. To each their own, I guess.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

Unfortunately for us, Apple bases its decisions on expected sales numbers more than our feelings. That said, does anyone know if the sales numbers are stronger after these mean keyboard and touchbar (and dongly) redesigns?

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Because I want to work on my own stuff on the go and your company owns 100% of everything you do on their laptop.

I’m not suggesting using a company laptop for personal projects. But with an IDE up, a web browser for development, a shell, etc. working on just a laptop monitor is painful. I can’t imagine developing an iPad app on a 15 inch laptop.

I develop iPad apps on a 13" laptop, and it's not actually too bad. You scale your iPad simulator down so that it fits on the screen and stick it another space if necessary.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Not sure why you are getting downvoted, you are right. A mac is a status symbol. If you wanted a good system, you could get far more than a mac can give with the same price.

Such nonsense. Please show me a laptop with the same quality trackpad and an operating system that works as well with my iOS devices e.g. AirDrop, Continuity, iCloud Notes, Photos, Keychain. And of course one that has perfect driver support and supports apps like Pixelmator and Omnigraffle.

Basically any better specced laptop that is hackintoshed.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

#109
post #91

It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

Unfortunately for us, Apple bases its decisions on expected sales numbers more than our feelings. That said, does anyone know if the sales numbers are stronger after these mean keyboard and touchbar (and dongly) redesigns?

It would be completely silly to look at sales numbers like that. There are far too many factors.

Now, if they sold two high-end MBP models, one with and one without the touchbar, then that would be a valid comparison. But they don't do that.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Cons: Keyboard, Touch bar, lack of ports, cost Pro: Great display. Build quality. MacOS It's too bad all the cons except cost are new to the latest generation ( post-2015 ) MBP.

I always hear people tout the build quality of Macs, but from my experience I see just as much failure with Mac books and normal PCs.
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