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George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by xedeon »

agumonkey wrote: post #35
kgraves wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

comma.ai poached an engineer from Tesla[0] I think they are very capable. Maybe their tech is not ready now, but who knows in 2-5 years where they will be. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/18/11454858/george-hotz-self...

I meant waymo because they have a less commercial approach compared to Tesla (which might taint this engineer view [or not]) I believe the only way out of the security pit is to double down on rigorous physics and not rapid ML

Waymo is the pinnacle of commercialized FSD. Have you seen their ads with actors? Tesla does ZERO marketing.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by masonic »

zck wrote: post #5

> California’s DMV requires all companies testing self-driving cars to report how many times safety operators were forced to take control of its vehicles. You make what you measure. This encourages companies to have their safety operators take over less often: if you tell the operators to err on the side of safety and take over more often, your car will look less safe. I don't have a solution here, just pointing out…

What are the consequences of not reporting those accurately, and how would anyone know?

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by xedeon »

dchichkov wrote: post #48
commaai wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask our users if they feel similarly about it not being useful. https://slack.comma.ai

Yes, I understand that. And my perspective is different from your users. It is that of someone who is seeing (and attempting to help) big automotive companies. Companies in the shadow of Waymo, that had recently reached $135B valuation. It is also that of someone, who had been hacking code for medical equipment at 13, some 25 years back. Do as you wish. edit : correction. out of your project we are probably having mo…

Help automotive companies? They have been sitting idle for decades and would rather spend their resources on flashy marketing, rather than innovate.

Car companies, even luxury brands like MB, BMW, and Audi are akin to cell phone companies running Symbian, Windows Mobile, Palm OS, and Symbian before the iPhone came along.

Now we have innovators like Tesla and open source DIY stuff from comma.ai which can churn out great tech in a very short amount of time, without the need for getting a new year model vehicle.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by xedeon »

21 wrote: post #40

So now we'll have weekend "hackers" downloading this open source software, tweaking it, and hurling their cars down the road at high speed. Great. The system also seems to have a single front facing camera. How will this detect for example a cyclist riding along the car and prevent the car from turning into him?

You seem to have pretty strong opinions without even actually taking the time to look into comma.ai and how it works.

All it takes is 5 minutes to know that it actually uses the built-in safety systems in cars like ADAS, LKAS, ACC. Hence, they only support only specific make/models. It's not just the "single front facing camera".

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by mkl »

mirceal wrote: post #61
mieseratte wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Interesting tidbit: Hotz actually means thief in a few languages. You've piqued my inner language geek, but cursory Googling / Google Translate hasn't given me any luck. What language(s) would that be?

If you google it, it comes up as the first result :) :) https://www.google.com/search?q=hotz+thief

Your comment here comes up as the first result for me. The second and third results are other comments in this thread. None of the other results on page 1 or 2 have any relevance, so I'd say it's pretty obscure.

What languages are you referring to?

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Post by sametmax »

asteli wrote: post #30

Here's the low-level controller for Comma AI's self-driving software. Lateral and longitudinal control, as well as actuator command are contained within. Their low level control is done in Python, on top of Android, on a smartphone. No further comment, your honor. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/tree/devel/selfdrive/co...

As much as I love Python, you need realtime processing for this kind of things. You can't have a slow language with gc pauses and no way to guaranty execution time for a given operation.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by mieseratte »

mirceal wrote: post #61
mieseratte wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Interesting tidbit: Hotz actually means thief in a few languages. You've piqued my inner language geek, but cursory Googling / Google Translate hasn't given me any luck. What language(s) would that be?

If you google it, it comes up as the first result :) :) https://www.google.com/search?q=hotz+thief

> If you google it, it comes up as the first result :) :)

As another user has mentioned, the only results in your query are links to this thread. Perhaps your results are different than mine?

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by jsiepkes »

jimnotgym wrote: post #80

When George demonstrated his first model I showed a friend who designs safety critical systems. To paraphrase he said, that of course you can hack something together in a weekend that does this. However a analysing a million edge cases, making sure all failures fail in a safe way takes a lot of time and knowledge. It made me think that this is a great demonstration of the difference between hobbyist hacking and profe…

> that of course you can hack something together in a weekend that does this. However a analysing a million edge cases, making sure all failures fail in a safe way takes a lot of time and knowledge.

Thats true for a lot of things. Most developers can whip up a Slack clone in a weekend, create an uber clone in a weekend or create a Netflix clone in a weekend. But dealing with all the edge cases, the details, making it scalable, etc. that's were the pain is.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by tinus_hn »

sametmax wrote: post #86
asteli wrote: post #30

Here's the low-level controller for Comma AI's self-driving software. Lateral and longitudinal control, as well as actuator command are contained within. Their low level control is done in Python, on top of Android, on a smartphone. No further comment, your honor. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/tree/devel/selfdrive/co...

As much as I love Python, you need realtime processing for this kind of things. You can't have a slow language with gc pauses and no way to guaranty execution time for a given operation.

If you want to replace the always attentive driver who never blinks their eyes?
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