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Echoing this sentiment, got a precision 5520 pre-loaded with Ubuntu and it's been a real champ. The build-quality is on-par with Apple and the fact that I still have HDMI/USB-A has been a life-saver a whole bunch of times. There's one other thing that I like too; it's linux. If I bought a macbook I'd definitely leave OSX on it, OSX is a decent system but the lack of decent window manager, the fact that I can't naviga…

How's the fan noise on the 5520 during basic usage? Browser, email client, text editor, etc. Have an old M4700 here, thinking of upgrading to the 5530, but am not sure what thermal effects of going slimmer/lighter has had on the new design.

For easy tasks it's silent, it's very rare the fans roar, but they do roar when doing something that pins cores at 100%.

(example: compressing things for more than 3~ minutes with xz)

Once the fans are spinning it's rather loud but around the same level as a 15" macbook pro (which my colleague has)

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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The machines released today were obviously in the pipeline long before the most recent wave of Mac backlash, so it's probably a mistake to call them a response in any way.

Still, when Apple spec out their base configs like this, at these prices? I find it hard not to get the message.

The entire line is under-specced by about 50%, or $500 too expensive. Fix that, and I'd still mutter about the Touch Bar, but I'd do it carrying it out of the store. Now? I'll hold off upgrading for at least a few more years.

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They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

I don’t necessarily agree that it’s what most people want. I think the reason that most people keep buying macs is because of MacOS. It is so nice to have a UNIX-based OS with great UI, so we keep buying the overpriced, out-of-date, defective laptops because we have no other choice. I’m convinced that a solid, secure, reliable and polished Unix-based OS for developers would quickly wipe out a large segment of Apple’s…

I think that's right. Our only two options are the Linux desktop with its high-maintenance potential of timesink, and Windows that, while it has improved, suffers from an authoritarian approach to things like reboots, updates, ability to customize and so forth. I use Windows 10 + MobaXTerm after moving off of the increasingly annoying MacBook design choices.

But there's something far worse: killer apps (for some professionals and hobbyists) only exist for Mac OSX and Windows. I'm looking at you, Adobe.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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I hear all the complaints about keyboard and touchbar, but we use these with external keyboards and never use the touchbar. 32GB DDR4 Ram and 6 Core processors honestly is making this a no-brainer here. We have been waiting on the ram for years. Price is the big question. At this time, the Select on the apple store is disabled so no idea what this will cost.

Is that the royal "we"? :P

Personally I always use my MacBook Pro set up below my external monitor. I always use the built in keyboard and trackpad because I find a small, short travel keyboard with a centrally mounted trackpad more ergonomic. I'm pretty sure this setup might only relevant to me though, so horses for courses.

I haven't upgraded because the new macs don't seem to match my use-cases and I can get by with my old 2013 model for now.

I agree about price though. The new MacBook Pros seem poor value to me. You have to decide whether to max the RAM/SSD upfront, get the new dongles you need all while Apple are nickel and dimming over things like the PSU extension cable which is no longer included despite the price rises.

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Really disappointing to see a 16GB RAM on 13" MBP continue to be the max.

HP and Lenovo have no problem offering 32 Gb in a similarly sized machine.

It seems Apple is more interested in forcing people up to the 15" for 32 GB - it might just be time to look at windows again for development / vm purposes. There is zero practicality in lugging around a 15" laptop compared to a 13" after having owned both.

While 32GB of ram makes sense for a 15" discrete GPU laptop, 16G will limit the number of vms or services that can run locally.

+1 for CPU updates

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The Macbook Pro has been the go-to software developer machine for years now, and that segment is seeing a massive exodus after the touch bar launch. I don't know how big a percentage that is of total sales, but it can't just be a trivial niche.

I'm holding on to my 2013 mbpro with a real keyboard, but if it dies... looks like they only have emoji keyboards now. I'll have to join the exodus then.

Late 2013 mbp crew represent!

I think this is the longest i've held onto a computer.

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It's not possible to buy it without the TouchBar any more :( I really wanted to like it, and the concept could perhaps eventually be good, but the current implementation is infuriatingly bad: • I need more than one tap to change the brightness, volume or skip to the next song. • The buttons are in different locations depending on context, so it's not possible to use it by muscle memory. • TouchBar automatically goes…

I wouldn't care about the touch bar if the esc+(sleep key) were still regular hardware keys. Those are the only ones that I actually use. But an even bigger problem for me is the price increase. The base TB version costs 200€ more (or 400€ if you'd buy the nTB 128gb version). With ne nTB version not getting the update, the updated MBP is too expensive compared to non Apple machienes.

If it's any help, I found this tool useful: https://www.haptictouchbar.com/ (I'd be surprised if Apple doesn't build this into the Touch Bar at some point.)

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Not a MacBook user, but being in a US university campus for almost 5 years now there is one change that I noticed with the latest crop of Macbooks. Everyone seems to carry their chargers. 2-3 years ago really I don't remember any Mac user carrying a charger.

The new laptops have much worse battery life under load. I have the 13" non-touchbar (best battery life) and, with light work, I can get about 7 hours. However, if I'm doing anything CPU-intensive that goes down to 3 or 4. I think it's even worse with the dedicated GPUs.

I guess that unpredictable battery life is way worse than short battery life, in terms of battery anxiety.

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I'm looking forward to the very first "real development takes 64GB RAM, 32 just isn't enough" complaints. Honestly, this looks like a good revision. I've been wanting a quad core 13 inch for a while. Hopefully the keyboard revision helps with all of the issues people have had.

Haha, 32 gb is enough for me at the moment, but I am sure that the engineers at google are doing their best to make sure that chrome consumes record amounts of ram per tab, so soon 32 will no longer be enough.

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After ongoing problems and repairs with my gen 2 butterfly, I switched to Linux (Ubuntu). After many months, I'm still a little shocked at how much worse the desktop experience is. 11 year old OS X Leopard is more consistent, intuitive and usable. Hardware is slightly less polished, but no major complaints there (except for how poor the buying experience was). Still, keyboard works. It would take something amazing to…

I recently switched from macOS High Sierra to Fedora. I felt that Fedora was smoother, way more responsive on the same hardware (and yes, comparing fresh macOS to fresh Linux install), more consistent and more intuitive, and more usable. The only thing I can think of that's better on macOS is the touchpad, which to the best of my knowledge is a gift given to us mortals by the gods. Oh, and the macOS default wallpaper…

An aspect that is often left out of the discussion: language support is way better on osx/windows. In particular japanese IME was still very primitive in comparison on linux (tried last year).

That's the same situation as for ios/android really, it's not a deal breaker, but the quality of life difference is clear.

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