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Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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> The niche developer/macrumors posters It's not just developers and MacRumors posters. Joe Rogan - the comedian and MMA commentator - did a massive unprompted rant on how poor (and he didn't use the word 'poor') the Apple keyboard was on his recent podcast (3rd most popular podcast in the world http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/ ). The keyboard affects anyone who types. It's not a niche group of obsessi…

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Rogan is a good proxy of Hollywood creatives, which in turn has an enormous impact on how often Macs show up as default movie props.

I would also add Rogan has a massive following and is a big influencer in many areas. His opinion could easily affect people thinking about or considering moving to a Mac product.

I know a lot of his followers on Twitter are super loyal to the brands he promotes.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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With the amount of repairs needed on the keyboard it’s unbelievablee they didn’t even mention that issue. written on my mbp

Mention it in what way? They mention it is a new 3rd gen keyboard. They aren't going to mention anything negative in a marketing page.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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I hear all the complaints about keyboard and touchbar, but we use these with external keyboards and never use the touchbar. 32GB DDR4 Ram and 6 Core processors honestly is making this a no-brainer here. We have been waiting on the ram for years. Price is the big question. At this time, the Select on the apple store is disabled so no idea what this will cost.

Why not just get an iMac if you're not going to use it as a laptop?

because it's not portable, duh

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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I wouldn't care about the touch bar if the esc+(sleep key) were still regular hardware keys. Those are the only ones that I actually use. But an even bigger problem for me is the price increase. The base TB version costs 200€ more (or 400€ if you'd buy the nTB 128gb version). With ne nTB version not getting the update, the updated MBP is too expensive compared to non Apple machienes.

As an aside, I switched Caps Lock to ESC a few years ago and after the 6 weeks(?) or however long it took to fully adjust, it's fantastic. I wish I could bring Caps Lock -> ESC joy to everyone.

The only issue with that for me is that Caps Lock as Control is also a useful mapping.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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You say that but it's the vocal but happy 10% that can sway the 90% to buy it. Mac wouldn't have been as big as it is today without its fans. The ones that complain are your best customers, because the ones that don't just walk away without giving you feedback as to why they walk away. The 90% is too indifferent to speak up.

You're greatly overestimating the tech community's importance. The average person doesn't need any swaying to buy Apple products.

I'm pretty sure I switched my parents into an imac, and three iphones so far, with a fourth on the way soon.

If I was on android/PC they would have bought those, for tech support reasons.

I've influenced some friends, too. Word of mouth is the most powerful form of marketing, and professional users talk about their machines a lot.

(Devs, video editors, writers, designers, photographers, etc)

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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The keyboard and the touch bar are deal breakers for me. For the first time in a while I've been considering buying a new laptop, but the touch bar is basically zero utility and the keyboard is negative utility. I can't spend $2400+ on a laptop and feel good about it.

Don't forget the trackpad so big that your palm interrupts your gestures. And the touch bar actually has negative utility as you'll end up accidentally pressing some buttons.

I disagree on this point. I've been using the new form factor with the large trackpads since initial launch in 2016 and the large trackpads are amazing, and I don't seem to have any issues with palm interaction. Anything smaller just feels downright primitive and old to me now.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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The keyboard and the touch bar are deal breakers for me. For the first time in a while I've been considering buying a new laptop, but the touch bar is basically zero utility and the keyboard is negative utility. I can't spend $2400+ on a laptop and feel good about it.

I can tell you from personal experience that the touch bar is more useful than the function keys it replaces. You will not miss them after a few weeks. They keyboard is solid too. I cringe if I have to type on the old pro keyboard with its soft keys.

> I cringe if I have to type on the old pro keyboard with its soft keys.

The soft keys are quiet while the new keyboard is noticeably louder.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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> The new keyboard has the same dimensions and look as its two predecessors, but the keys feel just a little bit different. They're quieter, for one thing. They have a softer, less click-y feel that is a little closer to the pre-2016 models' chiclet keys. We found the new keyboard to be a little nicer to type on, but it's not a radical difference. It's unlikely to convert the detractors, but it's a welcome iteration…

They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

I don’t necessarily agree that it’s what most people want. I think the reason that most people keep buying macs is because of MacOS. It is so nice to have a UNIX-based OS with great UI, so we keep buying the overpriced, out-of-date, defective laptops because we have no other choice. I’m convinced that a solid, secure, reliable and polished Unix-based OS for developers would quickly wipe out a large segment of Apple’s market share.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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"... so many reports that it can be rendered inoperable by a grain of sand and that is incredibly difficult and expensive to repair or replace. This new third-generation keyboard wasn’t designed to solve those issues, Apple says." https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563640/apple-macbook-pr...

Oh crap, this is the only thing I cared about. Ok so it's a no-go from day one.

I don't care if Apple has a 4 year warranty program for the keyboard. The fact is, I can't give up my main laptop for 2-5 days every 6 months to have them fix it for free.

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