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A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by Spooky23 »

HillaryBriss wrote: post #105
Spooky23 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could get to that just via chokepoints. Examples: The RFK/Triboro bridge in NYC gets 60M crossings annually. I95 at the North/Carolina border gets 14M cars a year. State DOTs publish this information for all interstate and many other highways, so it’s easy to piece see where the flows are. Additionally, DMVs sell all sorts of information, and auto repair and dealerships sell whatever DMV does not. It’s definitely…

holy crap. what kind of info are the DMVs selling? who are the buyers?

Lots of data re vehicle registration and licenses to different groups. Insurance companies and banks are common but there are many others. Everyone from towing/repo people to Experian.

New York has a good FAQ. https://dmv.ny.gov/dmv-records/permissible-uses-personal-inf...

Some states are not so good at protecting data, or rely on an honor system: https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/02/11/cbs-11-investigates-your...

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by artificial »

justinjlynn wrote: post #74
zzleeper wrote: post #15

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Irvine Company is not just "one company", it's HUGE... it owns half of Orange County, Newport Beach, etc. From Wikipedia: > The Irvine Company develops suburban master-planned communities throughout central and southern Orange County, in addition to residential buildings in Santa Monica, Silicon Valley, and San Diego.[6] The company also owns and manages office buildings in Milpitas, San Jose, Sunnyvale, Downtown San…

It's the closest thing I know to the burbclave running megacorporations from Snow Crash.

Donald Bren is essentially a Duke.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by oh_sigh »

mikeash wrote: post #49
OceanKing wrote: post #16

This article takes a distinctly negative tone towards this practice. What’s the problem here? License plate data is public information, it’s the same as if a person standing on the street saw your plate and told someone else. There should not be any expectation of privacy in regard to one’s license plate or the location of its sighting.

Let’s say we’re neighbors. I keep a close watch on your house, and every time you come and go I phone the local police and tell them, “OceanKing just got home” or whatever. Would you be ok with that?

Yes

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by jessaustin »

HillaryBriss wrote: post #112
jessaustin wrote: post #62

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That was less than a month ago.

yep. one of the interesting things about Carpenter v. United States was that Chief Justice Roberts (a Bush appointee) joined the more liberal members of the court to form a 5-4 majority. perhaps even more interesting, Trump appointee Gorsuch seemed to be saying that even more general data privacy could exist under the fourth amendment: ... it seems to me entirely possible a person's cell-site data could qualify as hi…

Yeah if one actually pays attention to what Gorsuch wrote this was more like a 6-3 decision. I almost feel like he's reaching out to Thomas with this dissent, so that next time around Thomas will feel comfortable limiting police power. I think Alito is a lost cause, and now Kennedy is gone. If Gorsuch and Thomas are both down for 4A, one could imagine Roberts joining them. At that point one could imagine a 7-2 or even 8-1 decision in favor of restoring the Fourth Amendment over all state activity. That would be great, and one could trace it back to this "concurring" dissent...

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Post by sverige »

Skunkleton wrote: post #13

To me the issue here is that this data is collected in the first place. It seems wrong to me that private corporations are tracking my every move.

How is anyone in SV going to eat if private corporations can't track our every move? I mean, not everyone takes cab rides or rents private homes when they travel, but almost everyone uses the internet for something. And those people need to be tracked, or there's no money to be made.

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Post by Terribledactyl »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #23
ipsin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given this news, I'm going to contact some other large mall chains (e.g. Westfield), in the hopes that they'll confirm that they don't give out license plate data to third parties. I'll be interested to see how they respond.

Better yet, ask them to confirm that they don't track this stuff in the first place.

Westfield valley Fair does, they have a system that will let you know where you parked if you provide it your license plate details. If it doesn't find an exact match you get to train the algorithm for them.

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Post by hanshan »

sverige wrote: post #126
Skunkleton wrote: post #13

To me the issue here is that this data is collected in the first place. It seems wrong to me that private corporations are tracking my every move.

How is anyone in SV going to eat if private corporations can't track our every move? I mean, not everyone takes cab rides or rents private homes when they travel, but almost everyone uses the internet for something. And those people need to be tracked, or there's no money to be made.

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