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A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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post #49

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Let’s say we’re neighbors. I keep a close watch on your house, and every time you come and go I phone the local police and tell them, “OceanKing just got home” or whatever. Would you be ok with that?

Malls are privately owned property, if you don't like it don't go to them.

That doesn’t answer my question.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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post #31

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The US Supreme Court just made the distinction, when ruling that access to a cellular telephone carrier's location data for a particular subscriber required a warrant (and hence a showing of probable cause): The Government’s position fails to contend with the seismic shifts in digital technology that made possible the tracking of not only Carpenter’s location but also everyone else’s, not for a short period but for y…

Too bad this didn't come up, when the supreme court was more liberal, now it'd surely be shot down. (applying the similar scenario to the license plates)

That was less than a month ago.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…

Given this news, I'm going to contact some other large mall chains (e.g. Westfield), in the hopes that they'll confirm that they don't give out license plate data to third parties. I'll be interested to see how they respond.

They're not going to reply to you and even if they do it'll be a "we do not comment on our security practices".

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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I read articles like this and I think that one's opinion on this is directly correlated with whether one thinks that immigration laws should be enforced. I don't think most people are calling for immigration laws to be eliminated and anyone who manages to make it here should be allowed to stay indefinitely.

What I don't get is the whole selective enforcement of laws thing. If someone somehow managed to get across the border that gets the person some sort of award for sneaking past the border patrol and thus a right to stay here for being a particularly sneaky lawbreaker? The legal reasoning behind all this just strikes me as ridiculously convoluted.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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post #48

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I go to gun shows and I've never seen it. What is your proof?

Let me google that for you: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gun-sh...

"Happens at every gun show" is not the same as "happened at California gun shows".

I don't like the scanning at all but this is a far cry from a national gun show surveillance program.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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post #56
post #48

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Let me google that for you: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gun-sh...

Now can you Google the difference between a gun show and a mall for the commenter as well?

They are both places to buy goods and services, not really much of a difference tbh.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US Supreme Court just made the distinction, when ruling that access to a cellular telephone carrier's location data for a particular subscriber required a warrant (and hence a showing of probable cause): The Government’s position fails to contend with the seismic shifts in digital technology that made possible the tracking of not only Carpenter’s location but also everyone else’s, not for a short period but for y…

Too bad this didn't come up, when the supreme court was more liberal, now it'd surely be shot down. (applying the similar scenario to the license plates)

It's a bit naive to assume that privacy is a binary "conservative" vs "liberal" issue. Specifically applied to ICE I'm sure a "liberal" court would have been opposed to it, but both parties are very anti-privacy and the courts are so politicized now we may as well start putting Ds and Rs next to judge's names.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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To me the issue here is that this data is collected in the first place. It seems wrong to me that private corporations are tracking my every move.

Then don't go on to their private property to conduct business?

So hole up in a cave because someone might be tracking you every time you leave the house?

It's perfectly reasonable to require companies to tell us what data they're collecting and how it will be used.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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This article takes a distinctly negative tone towards this practice. What’s the problem here? License plate data is public information, it’s the same as if a person standing on the street saw your plate and told someone else. There should not be any expectation of privacy in regard to one’s license plate or the location of its sighting.

> What’s the problem here? License plate data is public information, it’s the same as if a person standing on the street saw your plate and told someone else.

Cool, so you won't mind if i install a GPS tracker in your car that tells me your vehicle's location 24/7, since the exact same information can be gleaned from "a person on the street seeing your plate"?

The problem with ALPR is that it allows a few, otherwise occupied people -- such as parking lot attendants or repo agents or policemen -- to drive around like they normally do and automatically collect massive amounts of data on vehicles and their location without incurring any cost on their behalf (beyond "slightly decreased fuel efficiency because the ALPR equipment needs power from the alternator").

The same act of "looking at a license plate and noting down the location" becomes an entirely different thing when conducted at massive scale and at negligible cost.

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