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A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by GVIrish »

CzechTech wrote: post #27
s73v3r_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, when you rip kids from parents seeking asylum, and then can't even get them back to their parents in a timely manner, yeah, people get upset.

Maybe don't try to cross the border illegaly then? Seems like a valid deterrent to me.

First time illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Should people have their children forcibly separated from them and shipped to detention centers for a speeding ticket? Jaywalking? Drunk in public?

Inflicting cruelty on innocent children is not a reasonable deterrent in a civilized society that has any intention of being moral or just.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by User23 »

mikeash wrote: post #25
matte_black wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trigger here is ICE. For many people in this country, anything ICE does is bad now.

The trigger is private companies handing over people’s info to law enforcement en masse without a warrant. s/ICE/FBI/ and people would still be upset. Maybe a bit less just because the FBI occasionally goes after actually dangerous people.

It’s public information. You don’t have an expectation of privacy about your license plate. The exact opposite is true: you’re legally required to display it prominently whenever your vehicle is on the public highway.

ICE goes after human traffickers too.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by User23 »

GVIrish wrote: post #41
CzechTech wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe don't try to cross the border illegaly then? Seems like a valid deterrent to me.

First time illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Should people have their children forcibly separated from them and shipped to detention centers for a speeding ticket? Jaywalking? Drunk in public? Inflicting cruelty on innocent children is not a reasonable deterrent in a civilized society that has any intention of being moral or just.

Pretty sure if you’re drunk in public with your kids and get arrested you will in fact be forcibly separated.

Also this is a great example of static thinking, because it completely ignores dynamic effects. Ban family separation, how humane! Second order effect: incentivize bringing children when committing crimes. A sane and compassionate, as well as moral and just, society doesn’t want to encourage bring your kids to crime day either.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by mikeash »

User23 wrote: post #43
mikeash wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trigger is private companies handing over people’s info to law enforcement en masse without a warrant. s/ICE/FBI/ and people would still be upset. Maybe a bit less just because the FBI occasionally goes after actually dangerous people.

It’s public information. You don’t have an expectation of privacy about your license plate. The exact opposite is true: you’re legally required to display it prominently whenever your vehicle is on the public highway. ICE goes after human traffickers too.

What’s your point? All sorts of public information is not shared en masse with law enforcement. I’m not trying to argue that this is somehow illegal. This company isn’t committing a crime, they’re just assholes.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by inetknght »

williamscales wrote: post #37
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30

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> ask them to confirm that they don't track this stuff in the first place I could see a reasonable case being made for collecting these data, storing them for a few weeks, and then deleting them, to protect against thieves. The problem here is that for the government to collect these data, they would need to follow certain processes. A private actor who isn't following those processes is placing those data with the g…

This seems to be the latest trick. The same thing was happening with the cell phone location data. We should start referring to this as "data laundering".

> "data laundering"

Don't mind if I do start referring to online abuses of privacy as such

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by mikeash »

OceanKing wrote: post #16

This article takes a distinctly negative tone towards this practice. What’s the problem here? License plate data is public information, it’s the same as if a person standing on the street saw your plate and told someone else. There should not be any expectation of privacy in regard to one’s license plate or the location of its sighting.

Let’s say we’re neighbors. I keep a close watch on your house, and every time you come and go I phone the local police and tell them, “OceanKing just got home” or whatever. Would you be ok with that?

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by User23 »

mikeash wrote: post #45
User23 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s public information. You don’t have an expectation of privacy about your license plate. The exact opposite is true: you’re legally required to display it prominently whenever your vehicle is on the public highway. ICE goes after human traffickers too.

What’s your point? All sorts of public information is not shared en masse with law enforcement. I’m not trying to argue that this is somehow illegal . This company isn’t committing a crime, they’re just assholes.

I don’t think reporting criminals to the police makes one an asshole.

If you want open borders that’s fine. We have a congress and they can legally pass that policy. Write your representative and senators or something.

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