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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by csomar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #297
csomar wrote: post #289

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Define random. The million of poor children are randomly selected too.

> Define random. The million of poor children are randomly selected too. Coarsely, what happened to these kids could happen to ours. Starvation, less likely. In-group selection is built into our natures, and that is on display here. Practically, saving these kids takes a short burst of effort. Their families will pick up the slack thereafter because they have—on average—the resources to do so. Saving children from hu…

My guess is that Thailand wanted to be on the spotlight. There are kids dying of hunger, disease, sex-enslavement, violence or negligence (car/house accidents). But they are very unlikely to be on the spotlight.

We don't want to be humanly. We want to be praised for being humanly.

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Post by 67_45 »

People literally have stepped over a homeless person to get a closer look at the shop window tv covering this story. It represents the worst of humanity -- TV news swarming the cave site because it's going to get them lots of money. People pretending to care about the welfare of others when it's really a morbid reality television show to them -- entertainment.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

bdz wrote: post #213

"If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost, just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature—a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price. Weakness? It might be the unique strength that w…

They were categorically losing that war, in the book and in the movie.

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Post by vilhelm_s »

golergka wrote: post #214
roystonvassey wrote: post #168

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I find it even good for medical conditions, condensed history of major events, understanding geography and biography of actors, sportspersons and politicians. Actually, isn't it the * best * first website to learn about anything?

Please don't try to learn about controversial political topics there. The amount of editorial wars going on is stuggering - and the worst of it, you won't be able to tell when you're looking at a propaganda piece instead of an objective article because you need prior knowledge for that, and Wikipedia is exactly the place where people get their prior knowledge.

The same is true for non-Wikipedia sources too, right? If you learn about political topics from, say, a newspaper article, you will not be able to tell if you're looking at a propaganda piece because the newspaper is exactly where you get your prior knowledge.

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Post by csomar »

monkmartinez wrote: post #315
trissi wrote: post #302

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But about 3 times as much new people are born, most of them in poverty....

My opinion on this is unpopular, but I will say it anyway; People shouldn't have more kids than they can afford.

> My opinion on this is unpopular, but I will say it anyway; People shouldn't have more kids than they can afford.

It's a natural response to the hardship. If the chance that the kid make it is 10%, then make 10 times more kids. That way you have around 100% chance that your lineage makes it through life.

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Post by mikec3010 »

Maken wrote: post #329
mikec3010 wrote: post #311

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> who die of malnutrition Do they die of malnutrition or governmental corruption? I thought it was proven in the 1980's that the problem isn't a lack of food, it's the degenerate political systems blocking aid from reaching those who are dying. At least that's the prevailing narrative on reddit.

There is also the issue that food is not free and people starving can't pay for it.

Which fuels corruption. Charity imports tons of food for the poor, only to be intercepted by someone in the government and resold for profit. I admit that's a generalisation and I have no idea what actually happens. I've only read that the food has a very hard time making it to those who need it most. Which is why I applaud Gates' charity for rethinking it and trying to get to the root of the problem.

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Post by learc83 »

monkmartinez wrote: post #315
trissi wrote: post #302

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But about 3 times as much new people are born, most of them in poverty....

My opinion on this is unpopular, but I will say it anyway; People shouldn't have more kids than they can afford.

The way you reduce family size is by increasing the standard of living, reducing the child mortality rate, and increasing access to education and birth control.

In poor countries children are your retirement savings, so at an individual level having more children is a rational decision. In many cases they aren't having more kids than they can afford--they can't afford not to have more kids. Even at a national level it's not clear that lowering birth rates without additional changes would help a country economically.

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Post by snackbugs »

kazinator wrote: post #309
Jwarder wrote: post #299

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But they are literal concentration camps. Concentration camps have existed before and after the Nazis; that's not some idea they invented. The horror of the Holocaust is focused around the death camps more than the concentration camps.

The phrase "concentration camp" in the English language no longer has any literal meaning that is simply composed of "concentration" and "camp". It refers strictly to the WWII Nazi concentration camps. Anyone using the phrase and then insisting that the literal meaning was intended is thoroughly disingenuous. That speaker or writer is deliberately using the loaded term in order to troll the intended audience with a c…

Ideologically there is no difference to previous uses of the term. Historically it refers to concentration camps of the second Boer War where over 150,000 people died in camps which concentrated specific settler populations in a manner that made the thinning of their population a foregone conclusion.

If it evokes the use of the concept you dislike, rethink your moral stance on it. Not the phrasing of the concept.

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Post by Reedx »

bprieto wrote: post #160
ryanmercer wrote: post #13

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>I'm awaiting for the unavoidable book/movie. Hollywood producers are already on the ground http://www.newsweek.com/hollywood-producers-head-thai-cave-r...

The coach then will be an american living in Thailand, half the team will be girls, the sport will be american football instead of soccer, one of the rescuers will be a woman who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of the coach, there will be a bad guy from the government or some company that wants to leave them in the cave because it's cheaper... and Elon Musk's device will save the day.

Ha, you nailed it. I hate how plausible this is.

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Post by fucking_tragedy »

monkmartinez wrote: post #315
trissi wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But about 3 times as much new people are born, most of them in poverty....

My opinion on this is unpopular, but I will say it anyway; People shouldn't have more kids than they can afford.

People shouldn't get into car accidents, get cancer, no one should have to bury a child, etc.

We shouldn't turn to ideals in an effort to ignore or abdicate responsibility in dealing with the reality we are given.

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