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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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post #138

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Can you imagine being there for days and days and suddenly a diver pops up?

9 days in the darkness, with just whatever food they brought in and no way to contact the outside world.

I've read somewhere they thought it was quite shorter than the 9-10 days. Which is the opposite of what I would have thought.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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I find it even good for medical conditions, condensed history of major events, understanding geography and biography of actors, sportspersons and politicians. Actually, isn't it the * best * first website to learn about anything?

I find learning mathematical concepts from Wikipedia very difficult

I also agree, and would further that any relatively technically involved concept tends to contain the most complicated form of that topic, for example the wikipedia page on lift goes into some pretty intense detail.

This is the natural result for a website written by users (those with lots of knowledge write it for others who have lots of knowledge). Even simple wikipedia is not immune to this, due to explaining the concept theoretically instead of taking example problems.

I do not mean to say that I think wikipedia is bad or that others do better. I'm not even sure such a problem is solvable at all (making it useful for both beginners and experts)

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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post #183

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I find it even good for medical conditions, condensed history of major events, understanding geography and biography of actors, sportspersons and politicians. Actually, isn't it the * best * first website to learn about anything?

That's all true. I'm making a stronger claim. I believe Wikipedia is the best website for the two things I mentioned. There isn't a second competitor that comes even close to the breadth, depth and convenience provided by Wikipedia.

And all of that thanks to its painstaking manual curation which is interesting in the current context of automating everything.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Trump. Immigrants' children. I'm not from US and never been to US either. But many of these stories are heart-breaking.

This “Trump” obsession drives me crazy. Trump could write a check to NAACP and the news story would be how the check wasn’t large enough and because of that, he’s racist. Here is Jeh Johnson talking about the separation of kids from their arrested parents: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/24/obama_dhs... But several years ago nobody really cared, which tells me, nobody really cares that much now — it’s…

This is mostly on Trump and company:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/07/609225537...

There are weekly outrages because these people are shitty, dishonest, incompetent people.

It's not just a minor disagreement in some technical bit of policy that causes an arch-conservative like George Will to urge people to 'vote Democrat' come November:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vote-against-the-gop...

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

It's "awesome" but the cynic in me sees this as PR stunts and nothing else. Every day 150,000 people die. The media "happened" to latch onto this story and make it the headliner for an entire week. Objectively speaking, and at the risk of sounding like a cold hearted bastard, the life or death of 12 people isn't important news compared to other things that are happening right now. Then, types like Musk grabbed this o…

If flagging is against the site rules, why can everyone do it?

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!

A good friend of mine is heading to prison for a car accident in which one of his friends died. He wasn't drunk or texting, just unlucky. The family of the victim is horrified the prosecutor is doing this.

This is an ugly and poisonous attitude. I don't usually downvote for pure spite... I did just now.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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post #108

I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!

A blame mentality is a dangerous and self-defeating road to travel. It is only a matter of time before the blamer makes a mistake. Punishments are for the discouragement of others. How long before everyone is too paralysed by fear to make any movement at all? I have recently (within the last few years) heard stories like "I won't help that person because their relatives will sue me if they die".

Isnt that mostly in the US? Here in Norway, you'll get punished if you DON'T help in some way, which can be as little as calling the authorities.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!

> I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!

I would at least wait to know if he endangered them or if he actually saved them by taking them that for in. For all I know if he hadn't been there they might've drowned in the flood trying to get out rather than go deeper inside.

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