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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by icebraining »

jeandejean wrote: post #20

I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!

Even if we agree he's guilty, the guy just spent 18 days in a cave with a bunch of kids, 10 of those without knowing if anyone would come or if they would all drown or starve, and never knowing if any - including him - would die.

Is prison really needed? Didn't he pay enough for his crime?

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by macintux »

msvan wrote: post #50

It turns out that if your suffering is spectacular enough, people will come save you. Maybe if we throw all the poor children of the world into caves people will start caring about them.

12 kids and 1 adult trapped in a cave is a discrete, solvable problem. Millions of kids in poverty much less so.

We're much better at dealing with time-bounded, localizable problems.

Stalin's quote about tragedies and statistics comes to mind.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ythn »

typon wrote: post #149
throwawayqdhd wrote: post #110

You really have to love Wikipedia. It's barely a week old and you already have a page with so many references and detailed information. Thank you, all the anonymous contributors.

Wikipedia is the best website for following: 1. Current events. 2. Sports tournaments. The information entropy level is quite high, with basically no ads, extremely good formatting (relevant tables, charts etc.), and relatively unbiased. This doesn't even mention the benefit of getting simple background information on the subjects with just a simple click (or even a hover these days) It's really a treasure.

It's what happens when profit is not your primary (or even secondary) goal. That's why my personal company will never go public. From what I understand it would force me to put profit as my primary goal, even if I value quality more than profit.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by snthd »

Waterluvian wrote: post #118
js2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partially dumb luck. - “A ranger of the Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation alerted authorities to the missing group after seeing their unclaimed belongings at the cave entrance.” - “Volanthen was placing guidelines in the cave to later assist others in navigation. He ran out of line, which led him to swim to the surface—there, he found the missing team and its coach.” https://en.wikipedia.o…

Can you imagine being there for days and days and suddenly a diver pops up?

Something like

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9dG5KSD-8J4

>footage ... showing the moment the ship's cook was rescued from an air bubble on the ship, two days after the ship capsized

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by sametmax »

cubano wrote: post #128
sametmax wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…

People can live over 60 days without food, so maybe that part isn't so unexpected. Water of course is a different story..I believe after 48 hours severe dehydration sets in...after 3 days...kaput.

> People can live over 60 days without food, so maybe that part isn't so unexpected

It's not a physiological problem. It's a psychological one. When you ate everyday all your life, not eating is scary.

> I believe after 48 hours severe dehydration sets in...after 3 days...kaput.

You can live more than 3 days without water. Either with training, of because the conditions help (you don't move much, temperature and humidity are favorable, you don't eat, etc).

There are cases were human lived for 9 days without water.

But they had water near them so that was out of the equation.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ethbro »

Waterluvian wrote: post #118
js2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partially dumb luck. - “A ranger of the Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation alerted authorities to the missing group after seeing their unclaimed belongings at the cave entrance.” - “Volanthen was placing guidelines in the cave to later assist others in navigation. He ran out of line, which led him to swim to the surface—there, he found the missing team and its coach.” https://en.wikipedia.o…

Can you imagine being there for days and days and suddenly a diver pops up?

I assume the diver probably had lights. So at least they had some warning. But yeesh, seriously!

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by misja111 »

davidw wrote: post #66

I wonder if it'd be possible to use some of the momentum and talent from this to mount a rescue attempt to save the children trapped in cages in the United States.

Children trapped in cages? Is this happening a lot in the US?

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by briandear »

bluGill wrote: post #122
acomjean wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being down voted (probably too glib), but among all the excitement of everyone getting out, there is a rescuer who did die. There have been discussions about what responsibility people who act recklessly and put the rescuers in harms way should take (unprepared mountain climbers/ people who don't evacuate storms). I too was transfixed by the maps and cave cross sections and did wonder how they got in that far…

One factor in this discussion on what do to about "idiots" is: if it weren't for those people who do "stupid things" and require rescue, the rescue organizations would have to hire people to simulate real rescue conditions. There are always situations that require rescue that are not the fault of the victim. We thus need prepared rescuers, and the best preparation is real situations. The problem with a simulation is…

That’s like saying we should send soldiers to go fight people if there isn’t a real war happening becuse there might be one in the future.

Suggesting that this incident was a good thing because it helped the rescue teams train is a bit odd.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by bprieto »

ryanmercer wrote: post #13
sametmax wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…

>I'm awaiting for the unavoidable book/movie. Hollywood producers are already on the ground http://www.newsweek.com/hollywood-producers-head-thai-cave-r...

The coach then will be an american living in Thailand, half the team will be girls, the sport will be american football instead of soccer, one of the rescuers will be a woman who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of the coach, there will be a bad guy from the government or some company that wants to leave them in the cave because it's cheaper... and Elon Musk's device will save the day.
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