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Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#22

Post by rch »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #2

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

I'm not particularly fond of how OpenShift is put together, but it does seem like you're overreacting somewhat.

CoreOS is pretty well aligned with Fedora, so it makes sense for it to go there organizationally. And while it's inevitable that everything in Red Hat's orbit will have a clear path to OpenShift (and probably Ansible), I'm hopeful that this won't add any noticable overhead to CoreOS/CL itself.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#23

Post by karp773 »

supernovae wrote: post #16
hardwaresofton wrote: post #2

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

I happily use Ubuntu on a few thousand servers running 10s of thousands of containers. We're a polyglot shop with lots of java and lots of go/node and my comfort level with ubuntu is high.

I am also a big fan of Ubuntu Server and Mark Shuttleworth. The guy does not get the proper credit. He's basically running a charity for hackers and startups yet, for some reason, is not very popular on HN.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#24

Post by hardwaresofton »

rch wrote: post #22
hardwaresofton wrote: post #2

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

I'm not particularly fond of how OpenShift is put together, but it does seem like you're overreacting somewhat. CoreOS is pretty well aligned with Fedora, so it makes sense for it to go there organizationally. And while it's inevitable that everything in Red Hat's orbit will have a clear path to OpenShift (and probably Ansible), I'm hopeful that this won't add any noticable overhead to CoreOS/CL itself.

I took a look at the coreos fedora project[0] as listed by you and others, but it looks immensely experimental right now. From the FAQ[1]:

> Fedora CoreOS is under active development and there are currently no downloads available. However, you will be able to download the images from one canonical location via the CoreOS and Fedora websites. The discussions around this development will happen on our community channels.

I actually really like Ansible -- it plays well with other tools, scales from small to large infrastructure management needs, and has great documentation with enough escape hatches to make hacky (but functional) solutions possible. I have less of a problem with ansible and more being forced to move more and more into tools that push me towards OpenShift when it doesn't make sense for me.

[0]: https://coreos.fedoraproject.org

[1]: https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/faq

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#26

Post by hardwaresofton »

supernovae wrote: post #16
hardwaresofton wrote: post #2

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

I happily use Ubuntu on a few thousand servers running 10s of thousands of containers. We're a polyglot shop with lots of java and lots of go/node and my comfort level with ubuntu is high.

Thanks so much for sharing -- I think I'm going to give Ubuntu Server a try -- Canonical has done so much for open source (as noted by the other comment) and a bunch of innovation lately -- LXD is something I've actually wanted to play with as well as a virtualization option, which I actually failed to set up on Container Linux[0]. I swear I'm not trying to blog-spam, I just legitimately have been dealing with this stuff lately and have been effectively swimming upstream by not using Ubuntu -- looks like I need to stop.

I was mainly worried I'd be spending time downloading noveau/radeon drivers and associated packages on a server with no attached GPUs. I've been leaning towards languages that compile fat binaries (and running with docker regardless), so this is why I'm a little wary of Ubuntu bringing too much to the table. Also, it's been a long time since I ran Ubuntu on a personal machine, I am still a little worried about the risky the dist-upgrade process can be.

Basically all I feel I need is ufw, docker, ssh and was worried that Ubuntu brings too much along for the ride.

[0]: https://vadosware.io/post/trying-and-failing-to-get-lxd-runn...

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#27

Post by brightball »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #24
rch wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not particularly fond of how OpenShift is put together, but it does seem like you're overreacting somewhat. CoreOS is pretty well aligned with Fedora, so it makes sense for it to go there organizationally. And while it's inevitable that everything in Red Hat's orbit will have a clear path to OpenShift (and probably Ansible), I'm hopeful that this won't add any noticable overhead to CoreOS/CL itself.

I took a look at the coreos fedora project[0] as listed by you and others, but it looks immensely experimental right now. From the FAQ[1]: > Fedora CoreOS is under active development and there are currently no downloads available. However, you will be able to download the images from one canonical location via the CoreOS and Fedora websites. The discussions around this development will happen on our community channel…

Yea, I'll 2nd that. Ansible is immensely pragmatic and capable. Been very happy with it.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#28

Post by Proven »

supernovae wrote: post #16
hardwaresofton wrote: post #2

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

I happily use Ubuntu on a few thousand servers running 10s of thousands of containers. We're a polyglot shop with lots of java and lots of go/node and my comfort level with ubuntu is high.

Free version has the same binaries as the paid version, released the same day.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#30

Post by pas »

brightball wrote: post #27
hardwaresofton wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took a look at the coreos fedora project[0] as listed by you and others, but it looks immensely experimental right now. From the FAQ[1]: > Fedora CoreOS is under active development and there are currently no downloads available. However, you will be able to download the images from one canonical location via the CoreOS and Fedora websites. The discussions around this development will happen on our community channel…

Yea, I'll 2nd that. Ansible is immensely pragmatic and capable. Been very happy with it.

It's slow and hard to debug :( (at least in my experience - setting up OpenStack with it)

I used to prefer Chef, but then with CoreOS the dream started to come true, just pack up everything in a container, and 12-factor configure it and that's it, and now I just can't wait for k8s to eat the world, and we'll be back full circle with helm instead of yum/apt.

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