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Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

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Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#11

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

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Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#12
post #9

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

OpenShift is really garbage. Everything red hat adds just makes it worse, and it's a lot slower. The installer is absurdly slow also.

I am worried that I'm shitting on it without using it, but every time I even take a look at the documentation, I just can't stomach it. There's so much happening, all over the place, and it all looks like it was created to be composable, but it seems very non-optional (as in you need to learn 4 OpenShift things before you can do the thing you wanted to do).

Maybe there's someone out there that loves working with it and feels like it's worth the effort but I haven't seen many posts from them. Makes me feel like they're all stuck in corporate dungeons toiling away using stuff they were forced to use.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#13
post #3

If you have a deployed fleet of CoreOS instances, FlatCar[1] looks like a viable alternative. This article from NewStack gets into the details. [1] https://www.flatcar-linux.org/ [2] https://thenewstack.io/flatcar-linux-the-coreos-operating-sy...

Last time I saw flatcar they were in some sort of invite-only stage -- super glad that they've released and I'm excited to switch.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#14

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

I use CentOS, it updates about a month after redhat doses for the OS and a bit more frequently for most packages in my experience. It's also what >80% of my company uses for there server infrastructure.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#15
post #9

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OpenShift is really garbage. Everything red hat adds just makes it worse, and it's a lot slower. The installer is absurdly slow also.

I am worried that I'm shitting on it without using it, but every time I even take a look at the documentation, I just can't stomach it. There's so much happening, all over the place, and it all looks like it was created to be composable, but it seems very non-optional (as in you need to learn 4 OpenShift things before you can do the thing you wanted to do). Maybe there's someone out there that loves working with it a…

IMO OpenShift is RedHat's attempt to embrace extend and extinguish vanilla Kubernetes because it threatens their Enterprise OS domination. The host OS for Kubernetes clusters is mostly irrelevant.

It's like Kubernetes... forked from it, but adds all this other shit while they continue to just say it is Kubernetes under the hood. Technically true, but once you go to the OpenShift you're pretty much locked into RedHat's Kubernetesesque-world.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#16

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

I happily use Ubuntu on a few thousand servers running 10s of thousands of containers. We're a polyglot shop with lots of java and lots of go/node and my comfort level with ubuntu is high.

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#17
post #3

If you have a deployed fleet of CoreOS instances, FlatCar[1] looks like a viable alternative. This article from NewStack gets into the details. [1] https://www.flatcar-linux.org/ [2] https://thenewstack.io/flatcar-linux-the-coreos-operating-sy...

Last time I saw flatcar they were in some sort of invite-only stage -- super glad that they've released and I'm excited to switch.

Chris from Kinvolk here.

It's open for general use now. :)

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#18

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

There's also openSUSE Kubic. https://kubic.opensuse.org

Re: Fedora CoreOS, Red Hat CoreOS, and the future of Container Linux

#19

This is exactly what I thought would happen when I switched off of CoreOS earlier this year. I recently switched back[0] since according to their blog post[1] Container Linux would live and not be replaced by their Atomic project... I thought I was a fool for overreacting. I don't want OpenShift, it looks like a bloated clusterfuck. I don't want Atomic either -- Container Linux had all the pieces I needed and not muc…

Chris from Kinvolk here.

Flatcar Linux is generally available and we are committed to keeping it as a drop-in replacement for Container Linux for the long-term. We were excited about the idea of CoreOS when it was announced in 2013 and think it's a project worthy of sustaining.

Happy to answer questions about it.

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