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California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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For places that require a phone call I came up with a trick to cancel via email. If they reply back via email and say I have to call them, I tell them I'm deaf and can't talk on the phone. Works every time.

I actually have a speech impairment (a stutter) and you’d think people would be willing to accommodate. I can speak just fine when I have complete agency over the words I choose to say, but it’s the absolute worst when I have to read out some long specific access code or account number and say it 100% correct. Stutter even once and they think I meant 2 P’s when I just wanted to say a single P. And then it becomes this long drawn out process of “after AF6, it’s just a single P, but the rest of it is right” because I really don’t want to have to read out the entire code again.

But sadly there have been more times than I can count where I told them I have a speech impairment, it’s difficult for me to say certain things in the way they need me to right now, and I’d prefer to send them an email (even offer to send them an email for them to open while we are still talking)... And they said no they cannot do that for one reason or another.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

#82
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It's not like that at all, because it encourages more services for people with disabilities, instead of taking them away. Every site should be more prepared to accommodate people who can't or don't want to talk on the phone.

> It's not like that at all, because it encourages more services for people with disabilities, instead of taking them away. I mean you could argue the same for parking right? If everyone parked in the disabled section then you'd encourage having more such parking. And this also requires paying a representative more hours to deal with emails etc. It's not like there's zero cost.

No, you cant argue the same thing for parking, because you cant just magic creating parking spaces.

What you can do is facilitate (or mandate) an automated system that allows people to cancel your service with them.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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I used their web-based chat and had a surprisingly easy time.

I had no problem with the web-based chat either, though when he asked about setting up service at my new address, I said I was moving out of the country. But still, I'd prefer to use a simple web form to cancel service rather than sit through a 15 minute chat session

As above: Use Twitter. It isn't session-based, so you can come and go from the conversation as you please, and it certainly didn't take me 15 minutes. :)

In my case, I was considering an alternative provider, I tweeted them to ask if they could match a competing offer, they made a different offer that wasn't good enough to keep me. I checked in another time with them on Twitter to confirm my contract was not in effect, which they confirmed. And then after my new service was installed, I informed them that their service had already been physically disconnected, and to please close out the account.

None of this came with muss or fuss, and I just hit up their DMs whenever it was convenient for me.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

#85

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Or walking up a sidewalk ramp, or using the headphone jack at the ATM, or using the handicapped stall in the bathroom, or taking the elevator instead of the stairs...

If you use the handicap stall in the bathroom because you like the extra space, and then handicapped person comes in who actually needs the rails, and can’t use them, isn’t that a bad thing?

Sure, just like taking an elevator to the 2nd floor because you don't want to take the stairs.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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post #81
post #12

For places that require a phone call I came up with a trick to cancel via email. If they reply back via email and say I have to call them, I tell them I'm deaf and can't talk on the phone. Works every time.

I actually have a speech impairment (a stutter) and you’d think people would be willing to accommodate. I can speak just fine when I have complete agency over the words I choose to say, but it’s the absolute worst when I have to read out some long specific access code or account number and say it 100% correct. Stutter even once and they think I meant 2 P’s when I just wanted to say a single P. And then it becomes thi…

That sucks. I guess "works every time" is an overstatement.

I'm currently 3 for 3 but I guess you have a lot more attempts than I do.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

#87

My trick to avoid the long retentions go around is to tell them I'm leaving their service area. Why are you looking to cancel your phone plan? Leaving the country. They know they can't win me over and so they don't even try.

I did something similar when I moved to get rid of my wired phone service. I told AT&T I had signed a contract with Comcast and told Comcast I had signed a contract with AT&T.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

#88

I'm not sure there is a requirement to cancel subscriptions online as the article suggests. From the bill itself ( https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... ): > (b) A business that makes an automatic renewal offer or continuous service offer shall provide a toll-free telephone number, electronic mail address, a postal address if the seller directly bills the consumer, or it shall provide anothe…

IANAL, but just after that:

    17602...
    (c) In addition to the requirements of subdivision (b), a consumer who accepts
    an automatic renewal or continuous service offer online shall be allowed to
    terminate the automatic renewal or continuous service exclusively online, which
    may include a termination email formatted and provided by the business that
    a consumer can send to the business without additional information.
though it seems to only apply if the agreement was made online.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

#89
post #18

OK now here's an excellent use for Google Duplex. Using a robot to fool a person: annoying. Using a robot to fool someone annoying: fine!

Google has since changed this. Google Duplex will not "fool" humans any more. They announce that they're the "Google Assistant" calling on behalf of a customer.

I think unfortunately what will happen is that people will just hang up on the google assistant because it's not a real human.

It'll be kind of like what happened to the "glassholes". Maybe not as mean though.

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