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This is an very good example of why 'people of color' is red herring no one believes. Asians, both yellow and brown, are out performing whites. Blacks are under performing everyone and 'latinos' are doing either ok or pretty badly, depending on if you split them according to skin color. The issue in America has been and still is why are blacks doing so poorly? Dressing it up as anything else does no one any favors.
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The parents of "gifted" white 4 year olds trying to keep black kids out due to their "gifted" 4 year olds hard work and their grind and the meritocracy...I mean it sounds like a parody. "It's not due to racism or the to the manor born gift of idleness - these 'gifted' 4 year olds are high achievers"
I'm having trouble understanding the sentiment of your comment, but it seems you are deriding the "gifted" label bestowed by the NYC Department of Education. I agree that the label is unfortunate. From what I understand so far, the "gifted" curriculum is comparable to other high-achieving schools without the need for a "gifted" designation outside of the city and across the country.
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Can you provide some examples of cultural bias? People almost never provide examples. I thought that was always a bullshit excuse, especially considering that these test scores closely track IQ scores.
While the individual questions may be (for the most part) purged of any cultural bias, family income remains the primary demographic correlated with test performance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/03/05/these... https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e7a0/dfdee8ad5b91e1d179e9e2...
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>> Test scores are race-blind and fair. Kind of. There is a fair criticism to be made about tests being unintentionally culturally slanted towards the people that make them, often white Americans. Of course, in this case, your point is correct, since the people that are overindexing on the tests are Asian-Americans.
Agree. If a test contains questions that favor a particular race, then that is an outright problem, and schools should stop that. In this case, it's actually the opposite. When a test is in English, often Asians have to learn English, which is often not their primary language at home. So by default, an English-speaking race taking a test, has a HUGE advantage over an Asian test taker. Which is why the stereotype is t…
"Singapore is routinely ranked at or near the top in global comparisons of mathematical ability and boasts one of the most admired education systems in the world. In a league table based on test scores from 76 countries published by the OECD in May last year, Singapore came first, followed by Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan. The rankings, based on testing 15-year-olds’ abilities in maths and science, reinforced a sense that western children were slipping behind their Asian peers. The UK was in 20th place and the US 28th in the table. "
So lets say you have a really big balancing scale[1].... And there's a chute that's been feeding twice as much sand to one side, for hundreds of years.... What do you do to balance it? a) Distribute sand equally to each side b) Distribute substantially more sand to one side c) Make like the imbalance did not happen and ignore it. If the answer is obvious to the above, then why is leveling the field for historically d…
Call me crazy, but what if you just funded all public schools sufficiently that the advantage of going to the "good" school was lessened? Is that too socialist?
Good schools are mostly good because of their student bodies. At a basic level you need teachers who care, books and decent accommodations. If those basics aren't being met, then spending will help. And if those needs are met, it certainly helps to have really great, special teachers who push students a little further. But I believe if you took the kids from a selective school and swapped them with kids from a school…
I actually wonder if the internet will magnify cultural differences over time. So the children who are motivated (whether intrinsic, parents, or culture) will get even further ahead by taking online courses, while the children who are not will fall even further behind.
What every liberal person who read this article with disgust needs to realize is that THIS IS THE LIBERAL END-GAME AND THIS IS WHAT A MAJORITY OF LEFT-LEANING DECISION-MAKERS SUPPORT.
They don't care about merit, or fairness, or making the most out of a scarce resource. All that they care about is enforced "equality," no matter how many people suffer as a consequence.
This is pretty standard and has been going on for decades. Asian-Americans are the last race you can openly commit racist policies against without dogwhistling. I don't know what it is, maybe it's because they are politically underreprsented or it's because they are underrepresented in popular culture in general, or their general attitude to be anti-political in nature, but it's just totally fine to withhold educatio…
I suspect this will change in the very near future. The center-right has realized, very belatedly, that they have an opportunity with stories like this. White writers from places like The National Review have been pushing stories about Asian discrimination whenever possible over the last few months. It is a way for them to rail against "Liberal PC" culture under the guise of supporting a non-white race and achieving social justice, both of which are effective attributes when arguing with liberals.
It will be be interesting to see if the Republican party overall will move towards courting Asian-Americans, especially those of East Asian descent. In addition to stories like the OP, Asians tend on average to have more traditional views which more closely align culturally with conservatives.
Of course, the Republican party continues to hurt their future by taking every opportunity to alienate non-white voters. In places like Canada, which is culturally similar but in which the conservatives are less concerned with race and more concerned with ideology, the conservative party has built a strong coalition with Asian immigrants. This is largely unthinkable in modern day US, but it is something we could see in the near future.
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There are a number of just-so stories you can make about them being either unfair or fair - but the education field doesn't consider this a settled question, and unless you're looking at the data in a systematic fashion with a clearly defined outcome and access to lots of control variables, you can't actually be sure the test yields the "best" students. And indeed, the definition of "best" in this context is circular…
Sure but you're fighting a strawman here. Nobody believes standardized tests are perfect or 100% accurate at determining ex post performance. We all know people who score well but lack discipline. People who support quotas don't merely believe tests are flawed, but believe they are flawed in extremely biased ways that need outside correction. On most of these tests, you have to solve math or logic problems, or read p…
It's entirely possible to have the latter be true without the former.
As for your "It's hard to imagine..." in my career teaching I've met both phenotypes.