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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by jsz0 »

dkarl wrote: post #41
moxiemk1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.

The number of users affected is unknown, but the list of laptops mentioned in that thread is pretty varied, and it makes Ubuntu unusable for those folks. I know OSS needs to be more attentive to aesthetics, but let's not forget that "Ew, I just can't STAND these fonts" is a different kind of unusable from "I tried six obscure workarounds listed in a bug report, but none worked, so I installed a different OS." Using a…

Poor sleep/wake stability was the single biggest reason I gave up on Linux. I was running Ubuntu on my HP nc8430 and had to rush out the door so I closed the lid and didn't wait to make sure it went to sleep properly. I tossed my backpack into my car and when I came back a few hours later I found out the machine never went to sleep. It got so hot that the enclosure actually melted and warped. Probably lucky it didn't catch on fire in there. Amazingly the machine still worked but the physical damage to the enclosure prevents the lid from closing properly and it won't sit flat on a desk anymore.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by rfugger »

u48998 wrote: post #69

I hate Ubuntu, there is no support for it. Tried it twice already. They need to go back to the drawing board.

An overview of support options, which are mainly free:

http://www.ubuntu.com/support

If you need live human support for a consumer desktop system, you can purchase it on a yearly basis:

http://www.canonical.com/consumer-services/support

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by isb »

jbarham wrote: post #21
sandGorgon wrote: post #14

On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is c…

> I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right FWIW I tried to install Ubuntu on my wife's laptop and the main thing that made her go back to Windows was the look of the fonts . So I think Canonical is right to focus on polishing up things that can attract non-technical users.

My wife wants to switch to windows because certain basic things just don't work in a multi-user/fast-user-switching Ubuntu setup. The wireless applet (nm-applet) is plain broken (bug 284596). Audio doesn't work if the previously logged-in user was playing something. Some of these problems have been known for a while.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by scott_s »

old-gregg wrote: post #40
jbarham wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right FWIW I tried to install Ubuntu on my wife's laptop and the main thing that made her go back to Windows was the look of the fonts . So I think Canonical is right to focus on polishing up things that can attract non-technical users.

This is shocking to me. Windows font rendering isn't even close to what Ubuntu-packaged cairo/freetype is capable of, especially on high-DPI screens. Or perhaps she didn't like the fonts themselves? In that case you could have copied a bunch of Windows fonts, for instance Consolas looks absolutely gorgeous under FreeType. I applaud Ubuntu for their font efforts. They were the first distro to package non-crippled Free…

It's not shocking to me: people often get used to something, and anything different is "wrong." It can take to adjust to something, even when it's better.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by auxbuss »

lg wrote: post #62
moxiemk1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.

fwiw, all these laptop issues (especially this suspend/resume bug after I upgraded to Hardy) were what convinced me to get a mac. The only people I know with problem-free linux systems are desktop users.

I'm trying to make that call at the moment. I've been using Ubuntu on laptops since 5.10 (Badger) and Debian before that. 10.10 has by far the most regressions in it that I've encountered during this time.

If this were my project, I wouldn't be releasing it in this state. I know it's the 10/10 release and presumably 10/10/10 they will hit -- 42 and all that -- but they really need to get some stability into this thing. It's starting to alienate folk.

By raising bugs and doing the legwork I've helped fix quite a few, but two unresolved issues, both involving hardware that worked flawlessly until now, are making me wonder how well my time is being spent.

In addition, Shuttleworth is clearly starting down the road of monetizing Ubuntu, and if I'm going to support that then I want my show-stoppers fixed. Quid pro quo.

Because of this, moving to the Dark Side is looking more and more attractive. I wish it wasn't so.

[Edit: I also have an old Acer on 9.10 that works flawlessly, including the hardware that causes issues in 10.10. I won't be updating it.]

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by mgunes »

yason wrote: post #65

This is the first time I haven't found a human-readable summary anywhere of the new features and major changes of the upcoming Ubuntu version. They used to have this but now their release pages just point to a list of ~250 blueprints which doesn't constitute a "human-readable summary". Can someone help, please?

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by rufugee »

lg wrote: post #62
moxiemk1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.

fwiw, all these laptop issues (especially this suspend/resume bug after I upgraded to Hardy) were what convinced me to get a mac. The only people I know with problem-free linux systems are desktop users.

Not true at all. My Lenovo T400S runs Ubuntu Lucid Lynx flawlessly.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by xpaulbettsx »

sandGorgon wrote: post #14

On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is c…

I understand that it's open-source and a lot of the work is volunteer, but man - they ship with known bugs that as a Windows OS dev I'm pretty shocked. Like, if this was some chipset from 1995 that'd be okay, but this is the chipset in like > 70% of today's laptops afaik.
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