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Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by EGreg » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:32 AM UTC

topynate wrote: post #28

ondras wrote: post #21

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The "Brendan Eich club" is actually a small inside joke, as the sign was one of the official "features" of JSConf.eu 2011, where Brendan was an invited speaker :)

Yes, but that was seven years ago, and Things Are Different Now. (Just leafed through their twitter. I'm seeing a lot of the same clique as were involved in the node.js brouhaha last year. Is this conference really worth the fuss?)

This whole thing is a bit amusing.

So Brendan Eich invented JS, and then led Mozilla.

And being in the Brendan Eich Fan Club in 2011 probably was a positive thing and a cool thing for JS people.

Then much later, Brendan Eich donates $1000 to some political thing people strongly disagree with

So retroactively, being a fan of Brendan Eich means you are a homophobic hater and must be blocked?

I am quite sure this ain’t it :)

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by hycaria » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:32 AM UTC

tpush wrote: post #89

BonoboIO wrote: post #58

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I think this is not a private or personal thing, this just unprofessional handling of an yet unclear situation. Like beeing conficted without a trial (of course this is just a business relationship between him and the conference). Imagine that Hacker News would ban your account jakobegger, no explanation, no way to get informations why or what you did wrong. Would you just accept this as just "leave me alone"?

> Imagine that Hacker News would ban your account jakobegger, no explanation, no way to get informations why or what you did wrong. Would you just accept this as just "leave me alone"? I mean, they literally do this in the from of shadow banning.

I doubt they'd do it without warning you before hand to comply to the guidelines.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by EGreg » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:34 AM UTC

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #46

sshine wrote: post #29

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If you care about the content of the conference, and/or you like to talk with some of the recurring participants, you could go to the conference next time and confront the organizers directly, since they won't let you do it online. But in terms of feeling rejected for unknown reasons, I'd let it slide. The reactions you describe (twitter blocking, "we don't have time to answer" emails) are immature, so expecting more…

After such juvenile behaviour, why should he give them any of his money?

Perhaps so he can network with people he cares about, and ignore them?

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by Melchizedek » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:37 AM UTC

hbaav6 wrote: post #88

tomp wrote: post #52

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I don’t know about you, but I’m quite happy he publicised this (=gave attention). Now I know what conference to avoid!

It's good he publicised this but the length of the post and how hard he tried to get a response leads me to think he cares. He should not care about petty, deranged people.

Perhaps he shouldn't care about a conference but when the deranged people start affecting employment, then they have crossed a line. Then it's all out war.

They should be ostracized, shamed, fired and barred from employment. We should prevent hiring anybody who shows any sign of belonging to the PC-brigade. (Make no mistake - they are already doing this to their perceived "enemies", and not just based on opinions but even sex and ethnicity.)

We should make companies understand the incredible damage these people can cause.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by akvadrako » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:38 AM UTC

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #82

brazzy wrote: post #76

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Possible answers: 1) Some political views correspond strongly with problematic behaviour that a conference would rather not deal with. 2) Virtue signaling for PR purposes.

2) would require the conference organizers to announce we've blocked this person.

An announcement would signal the wrong thing. Better to just let some people become aware of the existence of blocking.

This is kind of like considering an "anonymous" donation more deserving of praise than a public one.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by DaiPlusPlus » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:40 AM UTC

hbaav6 wrote: post #88

tomp wrote: post #52

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I don’t know about you, but I’m quite happy he publicised this (=gave attention). Now I know what conference to avoid!

It's good he publicised this but the length of the post and how hard he tried to get a response leads me to think he cares. He should not care about petty, deranged people.

> petty, deranged people

That has not been established. Without knowing the author’s history or any background the only thing I can conclude from the conference’s organisers is that they are disorganised and with misplaced priorities: if a potential speaker alleges they’ve been incorrectly blacklisted (and shows no obvious warning signs) then investigating and rectifying the situation as necessary should be a high priority: that’s just good customer service and community leadership - especially as checking the pedigree of a Twitter blacklist is a trivial 5 minute task.

If the author really was unwelcome for some reason or another they would have ignored his email or replied with an short “because...” message - not a “we don’t care” response - because that really does mean they really don’t care.

(Though I’ll make a snark about how the JS community moves so fast that anything useful gleaned from a JS conf would be obsolete in a year’s time anyway - limiting the potential value of his attendance anyway)

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by _Codemonkeyism » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:41 AM UTC

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #100

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #14

This is the same when people message a youtuber and expect some reply - they can't see the hundreds and thousands of messages people get and still need to produce youtube content (or organize a conference) - "I can deal with the mails I get, why can't they?"

Except he got a reply. Someone read his message and took time out of their day to tell him to fuck off.

But just after he sent a message to several people and probably on twitter and different means, they told him - in a rude way - to stop. He probably didn't stop and he was blocked.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by DaiPlusPlus » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:42 AM UTC

Melchizedek wrote: post #114

hbaav6 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good he publicised this but the length of the post and how hard he tried to get a response leads me to think he cares. He should not care about petty, deranged people.

Perhaps he shouldn't care about a conference but when the deranged people start affecting employment , then they have crossed a line. Then it's all out war. They should be ostracized, shamed, fired and barred from employment. We should prevent hiring anybody who shows any sign of belonging to the PC-brigade. (Make no mistake - they are already doing this to their perceived "enemies", and not just based on opinions bu…

Where is the evidence that any “PC brigades” are raising illegitimate complaints affecting people’s careers?

Your post reads like fear-mongering of laughably incorrect activist-left stereotypes. This is HN, we can do better than that.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by _Codemonkeyism » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:44 AM UTC

beachy wrote: post #92

ItsMe000001 wrote: post #78

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Perhaps - then tell him . The reason does not matter (especially since we are unlikely to hear it from anyone), what matters is that they refuse to say what it is. "Effort" is not an excuse either since they even replied to him - but with something unprofessional while still leaving out the reason for no good reason that I can think of. You can even mask it behind a more fuzzy reason if you think the specific reason…

Disagree. A while ago I experimented with giving job applicants honest feedback on why they were unsuccessful - not just the old platitudes like"there were stronger candidates". Big mistake. When you reject people, they really really want to dig in, know why and then refute or try to overturn that.

Been there ;-)

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by _Codemonkeyism » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:45 AM UTC

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #97

abcd_f wrote: post #74

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Perhaps all his 30 speech proposals were completely inane and he's been viewed by organizers as that spammy fellow in late stages Dunning–Kruger syndrome? If that's the case, then muting communications is the least offensive option and it is entirely appropriate. However it does require the other side to be able to take a hint.

Then simply telling him that would have been just as easy as the response they sent, and no ruder.

They probably have dozens of times.