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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by nailer »

dkarl wrote: post #60
nailer wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anybody else think this is the first ever professional looking Linux distro they've ever seen? Congrats to the Ubuntu team.

You must be a graphic designer :-) I thought, "What does attractive have to do with professional?" and then realized you meant designed by professionals, not designed for professionals. Professionals' tools tend to look beautiful to them and ugly to everyone else. Maybe this is a step toward changing that, at least for Linux. (Except I'll still have emacs taking up at least half my screen space, with its functional b…

Nope, I'm a programmer. I just don't like brightly colored notification icons all over my GNOME taskbar. They're distracting - looks (and discoverability, and other UI aspects) directly affect usability, I'm surprised you say you don't get that.

As a counterpoint to your argument, I'd say OS X has more professional UI designers than Windows or the Linux OSs and is generally regarded as being more usable too.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by lg »

moxiemk1 wrote: post #15
sandGorgon wrote: post #14

On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is c…

It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.

fwiw, all these laptop issues (especially this suspend/resume bug after I upgraded to Hardy) were what convinced me to get a mac. The only people I know with problem-free linux systems are desktop users.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by koenigdavidmj »

jbarham wrote: post #45
old-gregg wrote: post #40

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This is shocking to me. Windows font rendering isn't even close to what Ubuntu-packaged cairo/freetype is capable of, especially on high-DPI screens. Or perhaps she didn't like the fonts themselves? In that case you could have copied a bunch of Windows fonts, for instance Consolas looks absolutely gorgeous under FreeType. I applaud Ubuntu for their font efforts. They were the first distro to package non-crippled Free…

How is FreeType intrinsically better than the Windows font renderer? Microsoft has the advantage of subpixel font rendering (aka ClearType) although admittedly that because it's patented ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering#Patents ).

FreeType has enabled the bytecode interpreter; those patents have all expired.

http://www.freetype.org/patents.html

Unless you are talking about a different set of patents.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by kamme »

sandGorgon wrote: post #14

On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is c…

Try to look at it this way: You're a user and your resume/suspend on your laptop doesn't work, you file a bug report and are mad it wasn't fixed ASAP. If I was a sysadmin and there was a bug in Ubuntu that would crash apache every 3 nights, I would file a bug report and be mad if it wasn't fixed ASAP. If I was a designer and I found the colors on the screen where totally off, I would file a bug report and be mad if it wasn't fixed ASAP.

I hope you see the point.

Everybody's problem is 'critical', but you just have to accept it doesn't work that way. Everything depends on context, but please think a moment about this: resources are limited, time is precious and getting 'fed up with things' rarely helps. Want to change things? Feel free to look at other issues and see if you find a solution, if you do, fix it and be part of the people who change stuff for the better.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by yason »

This is the first time I haven't found a human-readable summary anywhere of the new features and major changes of the upcoming Ubuntu version. They used to have this but now their release pages just point to a list of ~250 blueprints which doesn't constitute a "human-readable summary".

Can someone help, please?

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by bad_user »

dkarl wrote: post #41
moxiemk1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.

The number of users affected is unknown, but the list of laptops mentioned in that thread is pretty varied, and it makes Ubuntu unusable for those folks. I know OSS needs to be more attentive to aesthetics, but let's not forget that "Ew, I just can't STAND these fonts" is a different kind of unusable from "I tried six obscure workarounds listed in a bug report, but none worked, so I installed a different OS." Using a…

For what is worth, suspend/resume works on my laptop with Ubuntu 10.04 (a Dell Inspiron 1525) and it was completely broken in Debian testing.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by nuclear_eclipse »

lg wrote: post #62
moxiemk1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.

fwiw, all these laptop issues (especially this suspend/resume bug after I upgraded to Hardy) were what convinced me to get a mac. The only people I know with problem-free linux systems are desktop users.

FWIW, I've been a problem free laptop user of Ubuntu for two years running now. I have an older Dell laptop with the Intel Centrino chipset, Intel wifi, Intel graphics, etc, and everything on it has just worked out of the box since 8.04. It's also the only Linux machine in my house that uses KMS [1], so I get a nice, fast, high resolution display/splash/vte from the moment grub initializes the kernel. All of my desktops have Nvidia cards which also work out of the box with KMS, but enabling the official binary drivers for 3D performance breaks KMS.

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by bad_user »

lg wrote: post #62
moxiemk1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.

fwiw, all these laptop issues (especially this suspend/resume bug after I upgraded to Hardy) were what convinced me to get a mac. The only people I know with problem-free linux systems are desktop users.

That's not true.

I have a one year old Dell Inspiron 1525 with Ubuntu.

Not the best laptop ever but at least since Ubuntu 9.10 ... 3D graphics worked out of the box (open-source, Intel), Wifi worked out of the box (not so on OpenSuse or Debian), the built-in webcam worked out of the box, practically everything is up and running as soon as you install Ubuntu, no extra configuration required.

Not only that, but I also got an external 3G modem from Vodafone, that also worked out of the box.

As I've said before ... there are plenty of configurations that are running just fine with Ubuntu, but if you're going to shop at random of course you're going to have problems. Heck ... my external 3G modem wasn't compatible with Vista out of the box, you had to search for an updated driver on the Internet.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Post by auxbuss »

bad_user wrote: post #66
dkarl wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of users affected is unknown, but the list of laptops mentioned in that thread is pretty varied, and it makes Ubuntu unusable for those folks. I know OSS needs to be more attentive to aesthetics, but let's not forget that "Ew, I just can't STAND these fonts" is a different kind of unusable from "I tried six obscure workarounds listed in a bug report, but none worked, so I installed a different OS." Using a…

For what is worth, suspend/resume works on my laptop with Ubuntu 10.04 (a Dell Inspiron 1525) and it was completely broken in Debian testing.

For what is worth, suspend/resume works on my laptop with Ubuntu 10.04 (Sony Vaio F-series) and it is completely broken in Ubuntu 10.10.

Touché.

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