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Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by rootusrootus »

gleenn wrote: post #242
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #227

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Toyota or Ford or any other car company can enter any of those fields, either directly or through investment. That they choose not to probably indicates that the risk/reward doesn't make sense for them, and they probably aren't worth that much if Tesla manages to pivot. They chose not to play in EVs until recently, for example, because the market appetite wasn't there

You gotta hand it to Elon for stirring the appetite for EVs though. What makes you think he can't do similar things in other markets?

I am not convinced he really changed the market's desire for EVs. He made a halo car, and now he is selling the baby version for Average Joe. I think the success of the Model 3 has a lot more to do with the brand than it does with it being an EV.

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Post by jbuzbee »

jjeaff wrote: post #164
austenallred wrote: post #127

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OK, sure, but call it 4850 of 5000 when everyone says there wasn't a prayer of making it is pretty remarkable. Call it 97% of the way. The fact that they built out a tent and hustled 24/7 to hit the goal is impressive to me. Overall it's pretty classic Tesla/Musk. Predict the absolutely impossible, get 97% of the way there, and regardless of how you slice it the only thing that's not impressive is the facxt that they…

>I see Teslas everywhere now. Meaning you live in one of 4 coastal cities. Teslas are exceedingly rare everywhere but the wealthiest cities.

I see a lot in Colorado and have been seeing them for a couple of years

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Post by davidgould »

ycnewbienomore wrote: post #135

I can’t give up my Model 3. Driving any Tesla car is a dopamine hit. You really have to try and drive them to experience it and you’ll be hooked. Many people don’t realize what a refreshing and tremendous difference a smooth and powerful torque curve gives. Seriously forget all the noise about Elon Musk. Try and drive an electric car, which are by far still smoother than gear-shifting gas powered cars, and then try a…

Exactly this. I drive a Chevy Spark EV, which is based on the worlds least exciting car ... and it’s brilliant! I would never buy another gas car, they just don’t drive well. And yet we hear all this dribble about panel gaps and the stitching on the seat leather. I never knew there were so many so willing to look so silly in public.

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Post by rsynnott »

panarky wrote: post #103
philipodonnell wrote: post #54

> with the final car rolling off the assembly line on Sunday morning, several hours after the midnight goal set by Chief Executive Elon Musk No, they missed the deadline, twice now. Lot of Muskites in these comments, remember, Tesla failed to meet the same deadline in January and pushed it to June. (EDIT: I've been told they missed this 3 times now, the 5K/wk figure was originally Dec '17, then Jan '18 then Jun '18).…

Imagine that today is July 1, 2020. Looking back I see three scenarios. 1) It's clear now that the company is a sham and Musk is a snake-oil salesman. It's all smoke, mirrors, bubblegum and baling wire. After hitting 5000 cars per week one time, they never reached that level again. The company had to do a punishingly dilutive capital raise just to get 6 months more runway, and the company's market cap is now $6 billi…

There’s also option 4, which I would say is most likely; Tesla is gone; the brand is owned by someone else. In practice, 1 and 2 would likely lead to this scenario.

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Post by rsynnott »

confiscate wrote: post #199
panarky wrote: post #103

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Imagine that today is July 1, 2020. Looking back I see three scenarios. 1) It's clear now that the company is a sham and Musk is a snake-oil salesman. It's all smoke, mirrors, bubblegum and baling wire. After hitting 5000 cars per week one time, they never reached that level again. The company had to do a punishingly dilutive capital raise just to get 6 months more runway, and the company's market cap is now $6 billi…

Your world view is too narrow. That 5000 figure is important, but it's not really meaningful in the grand scheme of things. There is a 4th or 5th scenario, where 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. It's easy to…

I don’t understand why solar panels would necessarily go with car manufacturers? They don’t seem intrinsically related at all.

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Post by woodandsteel »

saas_co_de wrote: post #216
woodandsteel wrote: post #158

You know, it is really interesting watching the Musk haters over the years. The more he succeeds in doing what he promised (albeit usually behind schedule), the more they hate him, and the more convinced they become that his present projects will all turn out to be complete failures. It almost makes you think they have some ulterior motive, like they work for the fossil fuel industry, of one of the other rocket launc…

yeah, when he crashes and burns it will burn 100 billion dollars and the credibility of the whole tech industry (like Theranos but 100X). There will be a nuclear winter in tech investment after that which sets back legitimate companies with real innovation by years with lasting damage to the global economy. Same story as Uber and why people "hated" on them before the adults cleaned things up (as best as possible). Th…

Let me repeat my question: what have been your past predictions about Musk's projects, and have they been right or wrong.

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Post by woodandsteel »

rich-w-big-ego wrote: post #258
saas_co_de wrote: post #216

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yeah, when he crashes and burns it will burn 100 billion dollars and the credibility of the whole tech industry (like Theranos but 100X). There will be a nuclear winter in tech investment after that which sets back legitimate companies with real innovation by years with lasting damage to the global economy. Same story as Uber and why people "hated" on them before the adults cleaned things up (as best as possible). Th…

I think there's something to this argument. Elon actually realizes this part himself: when he crashes and burns it will burn 100 billion dollars and the credibility of the whole tech industry Elon has stated publically that it would be "really bad" (his words) if Tesla fails, because Tesla will then serve as an example of why electric cars will never work, and from that point it will be 10x harder to create an EV sta…

>if Tesla fails, because Tesla will then serve as an example of why electric cars will never work, and from that point it will be 10x harder to create an EV startup

Except that during the last two years all the major car companies have started big EV programs, and in China, the world's largest car market, the government has gone all-in on pushing EV's. So no matter what happens with Tesla, EV's are here to stay. In fact the experts say that when batteries get cheap enough around 2025, the whole market is going to swing in their favor.

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Post by Kranar »

calinet6 wrote: post #49
williamscales wrote: post #21

"It was not clear if Tesla could maintain that level of production for a longer period of time." I think this is the million dollar question—was this just a sprint effort to hit a milestone for PR sake or will they produce 5000 next week too?

Those who know anything about manufacturing are seeing very clearly that this is unlikely, or if achieved will be done at great cost and waste. https://twitter.com/skabooshka/status/1012000014376230913

Those in the know said electric cars in general were an unpractical waste of money. I also remember three years ago hearing those in the know saying a self landing rocket would not be possible, and if it ever were made it would also be done at great cost and waste.

Heck, those in the know said even a couple of months ago that Tesla would not be able to achieve 5000 Model 3s by today.

The truth is, there aren't really any people we can claim are "in the know" when it comes to new, innovative approaches to manufacturing.

Maybe Tesla will fail, maybe it will succeed. I don't think anyone actually knows one way or another. Elon Musk and his crew are trying something no one else has bothered to try before and we just have to see how it goes and what lessons can be learned from it.

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Post by stevehawk »

rootusrootus wrote: post #261
gleenn wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You gotta hand it to Elon for stirring the appetite for EVs though. What makes you think he can't do similar things in other markets?

I am not convinced he really changed the market's desire for EVs. He made a halo car, and now he is selling the baby version for Average Joe. I think the success of the Model 3 has a lot more to do with the brand than it does with it being an EV.

Have to admit I agree with this. He didn't change the appetite he just recognized that it was better to make a $120k EV than a $20k EV.
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