Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years • Hacker News Board

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by sandworm101 » Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 10:13 PM UTC

garmaine wrote: post #118

jader201 wrote: post #117

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This seems to be a controversial post (getting upvotes and downvotes). But for the downvoters, also consider that his decision to remain isolated is a current one, but not necessarily an indefinite one. He may come down with any illness or condition that causes him to change his mind at any point, but no longer in a condition to do anything about it. There are certain conditions that modern civilization makes coping…

So you, random person on the internet, are better suited at truly evaluating his wishes than himself?

Maybe not, but a "random person" may well one day have to make that decision. Should this guy be injured, and that injury be made known to others, those others will have to decide how to handle the situation. When any of us become ill, ill to the point of not being able to sustain our own lives, outsiders take control. We wouldn't let a dog die in the woods with a broken hip. If this man broke his hip, rescue services would go in and remove him. We don't let people die horrible deaths no matter how much they may want to.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by DEADBEEFC0FFEE » Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 10:59 PM UTC

qpooqpoo wrote: post #124

mehblahwhatevs wrote: post #120

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> the paleolithic era. That was probably peak human freedom, at least in my opinion A bit much no? The paleolithic era was when you'd get killed by some beast while walking through a field, killed by an arrow from some tribe nearby, or die by the age of 30 from the simple common cold. By "free" you mean less responsibility? You didn't have to work and worry about a roof over your head?

There's a lot that's wrong with this post, which is at odds with all the available anthropology on hunter-gatherer tribes. For instance, the death by age 30 idea is completely misleading. While it's true that infant-mortality was very high, the life expectancy after childhood was very similar to modern man's. And you can't have it both ways: high infant mortality is just one of the mechanisms by which the biosphere m…

Dead by 30, is mistake. The high infant mortality contributes to a low average age of death.

Steven Pinker goes into a lot more detail in his recent book Enlightenment Now.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by Nasrudith » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 2:15 AM UTC

qpooqpoo wrote: post #124

mehblahwhatevs wrote: post #120

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> the paleolithic era. That was probably peak human freedom, at least in my opinion A bit much no? The paleolithic era was when you'd get killed by some beast while walking through a field, killed by an arrow from some tribe nearby, or die by the age of 30 from the simple common cold. By "free" you mean less responsibility? You didn't have to work and worry about a roof over your head?

There's a lot that's wrong with this post, which is at odds with all the available anthropology on hunter-gatherer tribes. For instance, the death by age 30 idea is completely misleading. While it's true that infant-mortality was very high, the life expectancy after childhood was very similar to modern man's. And you can't have it both ways: high infant mortality is just one of the mechanisms by which the biosphere m…

That isn't freedom - it isn't even self determination as they are still bound to the local environment and to have any chance of surviving in the wilderness individually without later innovations basically requires technology from the scope.

Even if Ted's mad dream was somehow achieved through mail-bombing (talk about insanity - at least Charles Manson's plan had the remote potential to start a race war if the frame up kept on succeeding and a cycle of violence was kicked off.) we'd be right back to where we started in rebuilding technology from scratch or worse yet scavenging it to survive better.

Anyone in an actual survival situation knows that such concepts are claptrap as they'd take any unsporting advantage to survive and use up irreplaceable resources to do so. Because your life is not a sport. If you need to make multiple life or death decisions as part of your lifestyle you are clearly doing something very wrong.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by qpooqpoo » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:12 AM UTC

danieka wrote: post #94

timwaagh wrote: post #54

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please read about his victims as well, https://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/04/us/unabomber-s-track-vict...

I don’t agree with his methods. I might agree with his conclusions regarding modern society. Regardless, it might be good to preface any mention of him by also mentioning what he did and who he hurt.

Why??? Why on earth would you want to bias a reader and make him/her prejudicial to ideas. The whole point of rational inquiry is to dispassionately asses ideas on their own merits. This is why we have double-blind review. And at any rate, the truth or validity of ideas is in no way related to the personalities behind them. That's logic 101. So why would you want to encourage prejudice and bias?

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by gaius » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 6:37 AM UTC

n4r9 wrote: post #55

gaius wrote: post #52

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You are allowed and encouraged to be exceptiona Laws 1-7 and 10 state otherwise! But this is by no means exclusively a Danish thing, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality I’m English, and here it is enforced by the class system.

> Laws 1-7 and 10 state otherwise! I disagree. OP talks about what you're allowed to be, Jante talks about what you're allowed to think.

How can you be or do anything without thinking about it?

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Post by _khau » Mon, Jul 02, 2018, 9:48 AM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #60

Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

The fact that you equate wanting to be alone in nature with mental illness highlights how fucked up we have become as a society.