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Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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Post by AmericanChopper »

throwawayjava wrote: post #368
AmericanChopper wrote: post #360

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I think you’ll find that most conservatives actually just want the NFL to enforce their rules, which already prohibit political speech on the pitch. Something the NFL has enforced in the past against conservative political expression.

So where do you think this no platforming of liberals is taking place?

It’s not happening in the media. It’s not happening on social media. It’s not happening on the campus. It’s not happening in the office.

All you’ve actually been able to identify if _some_ conservative Christian colleges (you haven’t substantiated that, but I’ll accepts it’s probably true to some extent), and the football pitch (which isn’t a political forum to begin with). As I said, you want to have your cake and eat it too.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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Post by sheepmullet »

yosito wrote: post #377
sheepmullet wrote: post #347

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For anyone still following this discussion: We now have evidence the shooting had nothing to do with Milos comments: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5898141/At-four-shot... Yet at least two people on this thread are acting like there is credible evidence his tweets caused the shooting. This is the danger of fake news!

At least one person on this thread is acting like publicly calling for violence is ok.

Who?

You aren't content just to consume fake news - now you are trying to produce your own fake narrative!

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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Post by s73v3r_ »

nailer wrote: post #369
s73v3r_ wrote: post #367

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Given his track record, I'm not going to believe a single word of his facebook post. Find another source that does not rely on that post to prove the point.

I'm not sure what track record you're speaking of - historically people making these kinds of claims have been found to have lied about Milo. Are you saying the screenshots on his instagram are doctored?

None of those claims have been found to be lies. They are based on his own words and actions.

I will not take anything on his instagram as any kind of proof of anything; he has absolutely no credibility on anything.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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Post by nailer »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #383
nailer wrote: post #369

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I'm not sure what track record you're speaking of - historically people making these kinds of claims have been found to have lied about Milo. Are you saying the screenshots on his instagram are doctored?

None of those claims have been found to be lies. They are based on his own words and actions. I will not take anything on his instagram as any kind of proof of anything; he has absolutely no credibility on anything.

Do you think Milo is a white nationalist? Or that he's homophobic?

Since you know he fabricated the screenshots, have you contacted a journalist? This is a huge scoop and hasn't been reported yet.

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Post by nailer »

yosito wrote: post #376
sheepmullet wrote: post #308

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The fake news seems to be jumping on Milo when the shooters motives are currently unknown.

It's not really fake news that Milo publicly calls for violence. Anyone who calls for violence should have their Twitter account deleted.

When did Milo publically call for violence?

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Post by iosDrone »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #279
iosDrone wrote: post #261

Is this even up for discussion? Whatever you think of him, Milo Yiannopoulos got banned because HIS FOLLOWERS made derogatory statements about an actress. (edit: spelling)

Actually, Milo was banned because he already had been suspended several times, and then he decided to impersonate another user, which is blatantly against the ToS.

That's not what was widely reported.

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Post by iosDrone »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #277
iosDrone wrote: post #264

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What I'm most excited about with Kennedy's replacement is seeing affirmative action finally get the axe. Many, many people think that the erosion of meritocracy is a bad thing even for the groups it's intended to benefit.

Those people probably also believe that we have or ever had a meritocracy, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I really have a hard time coming up with a field outside of pro sports that is more meritocratic than tech. The assault on that in the name of "diversity" is morally repulsive, and I'll be very happy to see racial discrimination outlawed.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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Post by oblib »

admax88q wrote: post #319
oblib wrote: post #164

Yesterday I tried to post a link on FB to an "Anonymous video maker" that I saw linked in an article shared here. It's just a web based video maker but when I tried to post it I got a message saying "Facebook thinks this is spam" and FB wouldn't let me share it. Since the page doesn't promote any political view at all we might hesitate to make the leap that they are censoring political views but because the entire pu…

The reason they have is when the spam filter is run against anonymous-video.com it returns positive. You're assigning far too much agency to the decision as if someone at FB reviewed anonymous-video.com specifically and decided to block it or not. Its just a machine learning model that has been trained on a bunch of existing spam finds signals in common with your link.

"The reason they have is when the spam filter is run against anonymous-video.com it returns positive."

That's not a reason. It's an explanation that fails to provide cause.

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Post by oblib »

evincarofautumn wrote: post #341
admax88q wrote: post #319

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The reason they have is when the spam filter is run against anonymous-video.com it returns positive. You're assigning far too much agency to the decision as if someone at FB reviewed anonymous-video.com specifically and decided to block it or not. Its just a machine learning model that has been trained on a bunch of existing spam finds signals in common with your link.

Can semi-confirm: I worked on Site Integrity (Infrastructure) at FB in 2013–2014, and iirc there were many instances where a benign URL was automatically flagged as spam, and someone had to explicitly go and whitelist it because we were getting complaints. Could be any number of things—I’d guess URLs containing things like “video” and “anonymous” are often sketchy pirate sites that try to install malware; or perhaps…

That site lets you make and download a video but they don't offer to host it. They do host their own content there though.

Here's the link to the article that was shared here where I found the link to the video that led me to the anonymous-video.com site.

https://lmgsecurity.com/exposing-the-secret-office-365-foren...

I did a Google search on the anonymous-video.com domain name and nothing at all came up about spam or malware or anything nefarious at all, unless you consider the videos hosted there to be "spam", but that's a huge leap to make because they're not selling anything there.

The entire site is blacklisted on FB, not just the video maker. This convinces me even further that this is not a decision based on machine learning models.

I understand FB has the right to do this, and I'm not arguing here they shouldn't. I do, however, think it's important that we know and understand how, why, where, and to whom, when it is done.

And I do think that FB users should be concerned about this specific site being blacklisted. I am.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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Post by someguydave »

someguydave wrote: post #379
IGI-111 wrote: post #363

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Certainly. But free speech is an inherently liberal position by definition, construction and history. You're free to think that it's all bunk and tyranny of the majority is just fine. Many people do. I'd just like it to be clear to everyone that such an opinion is being against free speech. Because what greatly annoys me is when people try to claim that they advocate a "reasonable" version of free speech when they si…

My perception (and apparently that of those asked in the survey) is that conservative opinion gets a disproportionate amount of "I just flag it and move on" treatment. I would wager a large sum of money that if left-wing opinion were treated in the same way there would be much whining about minority rights and the importance of an individual's free speech from the left.

Thank you someone for giving me a downvote :)
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